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[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

No. The real reason is to keep an ally in the very Muslim middle east and because they believe that it's a prerequisite for the rapture.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago

and im sure the oil deposits sweeten the deal too

[–] [email protected] 20 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Linus Torvalds - ban Israel developers from linux

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 hours ago

Oh, shit, the Mossad would absolutely do that, huh

[–] [email protected] -5 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I think support for Israel is based on their sharing three principle values of the west: liberalism, democracy, & capitalism.

[–] GarlicToast 6 points 2 hours ago

Some neu Nazis support Israel too, they want a place to send the Jewish population from their country too.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 11 hours ago (6 children)

A unified and stable middle east would be and would have been a global superpower with the ability to influence independent control over major global trade routes and energy supply.

This is why the Israel is and has been imperative to U.S. foreign policy.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

Money, guns and oil baaaabbbbyyy. Everything else is propaganda and distractions

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago

Thanks, Dr. Rockzo!

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[–] [email protected] 64 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Zionism is inherently racist. This movement has nothing to do with Judaism. One of the greatest misdeeds of the Netanyahu regime - tho it pales in comparison to their other misdeeds - is to present their inhumane actions as the Jews' point of view. Israel's strategy in the last couple of year was to portray all completely justified criticism of Zionism, and especially of the state of Israel's inhumane approach to its realization, as anti-Semitism. There is no truth in this whatsoever. Zionism is not Judaism and the state of Israel does not stand for the Jews as a religious group - these days Israel only stands for a criminal regime that murders helpless people and breaks international law. This is not about religion, but about crimes against humanity committed by a sovereign state, by Israel, their criminal regime and all their henchmen.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 hours ago

Don't I deserve to seize my childhood home, or the one I sold last week? no anti-semitic replies please.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 12 hours ago (4 children)

The jewish people have never wholly owned that area. Persians, Arabs, and many other races have also always lived there. It’s literally in the bible.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Also remember that the bronze age Jews were not at all special among the tribes of the area, their story about themselves is aggrandizing fiction that all the tribes did, it's just the Jews' stories survived and became popular

Also bronze age. Those that left left so long ago, the only right they have to the place is military might and the legal right given based on lobbying and the racism of the law makers in question.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

Iron age, the Hebrew age of myth was set during the bronze age and in the immediate period of the bronze age collapse. Moses was bronze age, david was post bronze age collapse, the first diaspora was during the early Iron age, and the second diaspora was during antiquity.

Sorry if im being anal about it but one of the few good things about the old testament is that it tracks the evolution from bronze to iron pretty well, also Cyrus the great works as a solid historical reference point. But yeah there was about 700 years between the end of the bronze age and the end of the first diaspora, and about a thousand years to the second diaspora. For reference the Roman empire still existed seven hundred years ago.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 52 minutes ago

Thanks, I'm not great on biblical history, so corrections and detail are welcome

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (5 children)

In addition to the first Israeli migrants being Europeans, they displaced the actual indigenous population that was native to the land. The Muslim and Christian populations are mostly descendents from ancient Israelis that converted.

Israel is basically just the US, which is why they're such strong allies. They have the same roots.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 11 hours ago (4 children)

they displaced the actual indigenous population that was native to the land.

They also sterilized a bunch of Ethiopian and Mizrahi Jews, on the grounds that these non-European ethinic cohorts were having too many kids.

Incidentally, Israel government has been grappling with a big childlessness crisis which threatens to tank their Jewish population.

One big reason for the genocide in Gaza (which has been in effect since 2006, but recently hit a fevered pitch) is that - despite their best efforts - the Israeli government has failed to neuter the Palestinian population growth rate.

So much of Israeli policy boils down to white nationalist eugenics.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 hours ago

Common hamid W

Fuck Israel and America

[–] [email protected] 109 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (70 children)

Lol... Their ancestors only lived there after they ethnically cleansed the people who were already living there. They've been doing this crap for a long time.

Edit: to clarify, I'm talking about the Jewish people of Israel

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