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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (15 children)

They are either Russian trolls or children who have a Disney level perspective on politics, I think. They don't want to recognize that they have very limited options or the harsh realities surrounding them.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago

Not sure which depresses me more.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (3 children)

How about actually listen to Palestinian voices instead of your misplaced savior rubbish? They are the ones asking that we refuse to vote for Kamala.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago

Which Palestinean voices, in Palestine, are you thinking of?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Absolutely. The goal here should be: make it easier for her opponent, the man who, in a not-at-all inflammatory gesture, moved the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. Clearly aligned with the Palestinian cause. Your strategic thinking is subtle yet effective, the long game is stupid, right?

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago

Is it not more like "ALL OF YOU WILL DIE" ?

I mean, Israel seems determined on their genocide.....

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (9 children)

Let me take a stab at this. As a non American non voter who is interested in the outcome of the election.

There are 3 parties to this discussion: the Harris campaign (Democrats in general), the Gaza issue voter, and the lesser evil voters.

The Gaza issue voters clearly believe a genocide is occuring, sometimes affecting them personally, and funded by their tax dollars. They would like some concessions from the Dems (the only likely party to take any action) and their only bargaining chip is their vote. It is clear to me that, if a large number of Americans felt strongly and this way, action would happen.

The Harris campaign has been non responsive on this issue, trying to tread the thin line, where they not only look powerless politically, but also unwilling to take a moral stand for what is right.

The lesser evil voters are absolutely correct that she is still better than Trump, and in more ways than just Middle east.

What I think all 3 parties need to do:

The lesser evil camp, instead of mocking the hold outs, needs to pressure the Harris campaign to make a change. Maybe even join them! (See the last point)

The Harris campaign, needs to think long and hard about what they stand for, and the implications of the Republican-lite gamble paying off. There needs to be some fear of losing voters who they cannot take for granted as they shift to the right.

Finally the Gaza voters. Its fine to play the game of chicken, keep screaming as loud as you can demanding change, but ultimately (secretly) get to the ballot and vote D.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (37 children)

This is complete trash. There are not 3 issue voters here. There are two. A non-vote for Harris is a full vote for greater support for genocide. A vote for Harris has a chance to change that. Any other thoughts on it are completely ridiculous.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (2 children)

but ultimately (secretly) get to the ballot and vote D.

By this point, it's too late. Probably already too late now.

You dumb fucks never realized that your true power is NOT your votes. It's your voice. It's the power to convince people to stay home. And you just... kept doing that. There's no threat to be made; the act of making the threat IS the damage.

I'm so tired dude. At least in a month most of you will forget all about Gaza and I won't have to hear about it anymore.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (4 children)

the lesser evil camp refuses to pressure the harris campaign and the harris campaign refuses to self reflect on their republican lite gamble; but the gaza voters should give up their only bargaining chip and vote for them anyways?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I doubt the Democrats will learn their lesson when they lose. They didn't became more progressive when Hillary lost when the Bernie voters stayed home. The only shift to the left in the party that happened was when incumbent democrats got replaced by outsiders like AOC. So if you want to punish Democrats do it during a primary and vote an incumbent out.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (12 children)

Yes. That's how the two party system works. Dems are still miles better than Republicans on the issue, and thus don't need to improve. It sucks, but that's the hand that's been dealt I don't see any better strategy to help the people of Gaza. If you see one, feel free to share.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (3 children)

A large portion of the people you're referring to are Arab Americans. In fact, Trump is now leading with them. I also think Trump would be worse for Palestinians than Harris, but I doubt the best way to convince Arab Americans of that is with condescending memes about how they don't care about the Middle East.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (15 children)

So pandering to idiots is bad when democrats veer to the center to get centrist votes, but it's good when Harris takes a stand on Gaza?

Hot take: morons are morons. Left and right. Fuck em.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The point of the meme isn't to convince anyone, the point is to yell at people you hate and tell yourself you're so much better than them. Any claim of "activism" and "raising awareness" is transparently false.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Everyone else is a villain huh? I'm petty sure the author thinks their view should be self-evident and doesn't understand why do many people here seem to take actions the author would never consider.

I therefore think the point of the meme is to bring some levity into what would otherwise be helpless frustration.

Have some empathy. Don't think everyone is bitter and miserable.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago

You get what you deserve. I'm done with all of this.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (7 children)

It really depends on which state you live in whether or not you have the luxury of a protest vote. If you live in NY state that has a 20% lead for Harris, sure, some people can vote Jill Stein or something. But if you live in a state that actually might be close or not an obvious blowout, you can't vote that way. You actually have to be tactical with your vote, not idealistic or symbolic.

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