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[–] [email protected] 0 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (17 children)

"How dare you protest!!!"

Literally all Kamala has to do is announce a plan to stop war crimes and gain these votes back. The fact she won't is on her, not on the people concerned over Gaza.

By the way, I don't support Trump, I don't think you should vote for Trump, but if you want to protest by supporting third parties until Kamala changes her policy you have my full support

[–] [email protected] 0 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

Even if Kamala does announce this, does she have the support of Congress to do so? And would Netanyahu even listen if they did? The stuff happening in the Middle East has been going on for decades and I doubt it'll stop anytime soon, unfortunately. Even without Western arms.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 16 hours ago (9 children)

Why doesn't Trump have to announce a plan to stop war crimes? Why does Harris always have a higher bar to overcome than Trump? A protest to save lives has failed if more people die because of the protest.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 16 hours ago (4 children)

People refusing to vote for Harris becuase of a foreign conflict they understand nothing about is peak stupidty.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 14 hours ago

"I completely understand the Palestine/Israel situation, I've watched multiple tiktoks about it!!!!"

[–] [email protected] 0 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Granted, I don't know much about the conflict. I've read about it on Wikipedia and it gets more and more nuanced and complex at every turn.

HOWEVER.

There are candidates who advocate for stopping the killing. This is not a high bar. This is a bar I would like to see Kamala reach.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Why aren't you asking Trump to advocate for stopping the killing?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

Hm, honestly, that's a good point. Why is it always Kamala under fire?

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

I voted party for socialism and liberation and you can too!

They’re running Claudia de la Cruz on a platform of Palestinian liberation and an end to arms shipments to israel.

They’re eligible for enough electoral votes to win in an unprecedented landslide!

Even if you can’t protest, door knock, phone bank, picket or boycott, you can still use your vote to tell the two major parties that you won’t accept their genocide.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

De La Cruz is a place holder. Nothing more. She’s untested, has no win condition strategy that makes any sense in reality and serves only as a spoiler, and has a barely above zero chance to win.

DO NOT FALL FOR THIS BULLSHIT.

She did nothing the last four years to earn your attention let alone your vote. She has no strategy to make anything she promises actually work because she knows has shown to have little knowledge about how politics work.

DON’T WASTE TOUR VOTES ON THIS NONSENSE.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Even if what you said were true, I’d gladly pick an untested candidate who is against genocide over a battle hardened pro genocide one any day.

Of course, what you’re saying isn’t true.

I will vote for the placeholder candidate when the place they’re holding is the one marked “no genocide”.

If people voting for psl spoils the democrats chances then maybe the democrats should adopt the psl platform in order to win.

You and I already had a conversation where we discussed psls strategy, so suggesting that there isn’t one especially in a reply to me is pretty sus.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Dem centrists are too lazy to try to influence their politicians to do the right thing. And they pretend the politician is powerless to change their stand. They can change their stand. You can apply pressure during an election. if you'd just try. But you all pretend you are powerless, and then call everyone trying to pressure harris shitty names.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

It's even more insane that people claim this after public outcry forced Biden off the ticket.

We have literally seen that it works, you can actually demand more of your elected leaders! But don't tell that to the Blue MAGAts, or they'll shut you down because their favorite talking head told them to shut up and get in line.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 18 hours ago (5 children)

Usually they live in blue states that will partially insulate them from the consequences. Or they’re young and don’t understand knock on effects yet.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

b-but the.. the genocide!!1!!1!11!

(/s obviously, I don't like it either)

I genuinely don't know what passes by their brain, but I got banned from commenting on a community on hexbear because I was saying that their little third party wouldn't win anyways and by voting it they were helping trump, and every response was just calling me a genocide apologist because of my support for the dems.

It seems like they can't just reason properly

[–] [email protected] 0 points 17 hours ago

It’s just very odd to me when they say both sides, but trump has openly stated he wants the military to fire live rounds at people protesting in support of Palestine.

Or that trump wants to genocide* Latinos. Or that he has said he wants the military to purge people that don’t support him.

*yes he said deport, but when the cost of such an operation starts rising then he’ll start pushing to instead kill people to lower costs. That’s how it goes every single time this rhetoric takes hold.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 18 hours ago

I would say they feel there is no personal/social benefit from electing one over the other. The reality is the tarriffs and mass deportations are the stupidest fucking I've ever heard and likely will piss away more money and people than COVID did.

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