So this means the fighting will stop now, right?
...right?
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Well, Israeli war aims included diminishing Hamas. But they also included returning any hostages who are still alive. So I think the fighting will continue at least in the short term.
perpetually missing hostages that will never be confirmed alive or dead?
I mean, that's kind of on Hamas, no?
No, that's on israel that actually does not care about the hostages and intentionally torpedoed all negotiations and even killed some of them themselves.
hamas doesn't know if they're alive or dead either, considering their command structure is dead
They don't know because they didn't care.
It was just terror factor for them, they didn't care what happened, who got hurt, just brutality for brutality's sake.
i'm pretty sure they made demands asking for palestinians to be released from israeli prisons and I'm pretty sure israel rejected those demands
Yeah, that's exactly the same as attacking, raping, murdering and kidnapping civilians by surprise.
do you believe hamas members are non-human? because it feels like you're trying to convince me they are non-human
Sadly, rape and murder are all too human evils.
Maybe they are trying to convince you that Hamas is evil.
i didn't need to be convinced of that
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It's impossible to stop now. There's no leader for Israel to negotiate a ceasefire with, so they're just going to have to keep doing the lord's work until there's nobody left to slaughter.
I just don't see this changing anything.
He was particularly hostile to peace with Israel (and Israel was particularly hostile to peace with him). Furthermore (according to my understanding) Hamas doesn't have much formal structure; it isn't like the USA where the government is ready to accept the vice president as the leader if the president dies. I assume that Sinwar prepared a successor, but there's still probably no one who knows all the same things and has the loyalty of all the same people.
Israel has already moved on to Lebanon. This is a forever war. That's what Netanyahu wants. His best friend has been trying to tell the world about it.
He also wrote that Netanyahu will pay any price at the expense of the public in Israel, provided that his rule does not fall "and therefore, to the horror of it, there is no chance that the war will end in the foreseeable future. Neither voluntarily nor according to logic. Its continuation forever is the only barrier that will prevent his personal catastrophe.
Yep, the ongoing war is delaying a corruption trial against Bibi where I think he could be sentenced to up to 30 years in prison, so he's going to keep this war going forever if he can
Israel is not the USA. It doesn't have the economy to support a forever war, even with US help. Most of its soldiers are reservists who need to go back to their jobs sooner rather than later.
Please read the article I pasted the link to.
I'm not a fan of Netanyahu but that article isn't a hard-headed political analysis. Even Netanyahu is constrained by physical reality; he might not have a realistic plan for peace, but that doesn't mean he can continue war indefinitely.
He will try. That's the point.
I doubt any war could literally never end.
You don't think that whoever survives the horror they just have been through on Gaza will eventually replace them?
No, I don't think the popular theory that organizations like Hamas exist because people want revenge is correct. The critical component seems to be a power vacuum; in its absence humans will tolerate anything. If Israel establishes order in Gaza by some means (and by that I don't just mean armed patrols through hostile territory) then there can be occasional terrorist attacks but no organized resistance.
The problem that I see is actually that there's little precedent for establishing order in circumstances like this while acting with the humanitarian constraints that Israel does have. The USA failed in Afghanistan and Iraq. Russia succeeded in Chechnya but Israel cannot (and should not) even come close to the level of brutality Russia employed.
Yeah if Israel extends it's apartheid into Gaza, that'll bring peace in the region for sure.
/S
They need to take out the real terrorist, Bibi
Things are going to have to get a lot worse for the IDF before they would take out their own leader.
I think it makes it a bit more difficult to escalate and therefore help elect Trump. For Bibi, Sinwar being at large is an unequivocal argument to keep on keeping on in Gaza. Now that he's gone, he'll have to use flimsier ones and whoever might push back, could push back harder.
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Nice. Hamas sux
Yeah but they were created because Israel sucked in the first place.
Many thing suck, same time.
Terrorist groups are more likely to form in bad social, political, and economic circumstances. Astute observation.
And Israel was created because the Jews got fucking slaughtered and driven from their homes in the world wars and didn't have anywhere safe that anyone wanted them.
And the US exists because the Europeans slaughtered the native Americans.
And England exists because they slaughtered the locals that were there before.
And modern China exists because they slaughtered the group before them.
Its almost like this is exactly how it's always worked.
Weird way to excuse a genocide but ok.
Edit: the fact that Jewish people went through a Holocaust, doesn't excuse them from creating another one.
Everybody gets to do one genocide, that's how it works, right?
Not many people could get a bullseye with 40,000 darts and a year to use them. Fairplay to Israel for their precision on this one.
Great, now how many innocent civilians were part of the collateral damage?
In this particular engagement, zero. Did you think you had something there?
Good news is rare. I hope this was the result of better intelligence on the whereabouts of the Hamas leadership rather than luck.
If you kill everyone in Gaza, you'll eventually kill the right person.
Human shields can only get you so far
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