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Relaxed section for discussion and debate that doesn't fit anywhere else. Whether it's advice, how your week is going, a link that's at the back of your mind, or something like that, it can likely go here.


Subcommunities on Beehaw:


This community's icon was made by Aaron Schneider, under the CC-BY-NC-SA 4.0 license.

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(Reminder: if you have shared the original version in a public post with an old version up, replacing it with this one might be more helpful.)

I want to preface, if you see a mistake in the image or have something helpful to add, go right ahead! I still have the layered files for this, so edits can be made very quickly. I chose to handwrite the text to avoid font copyright infringement.

Feel free to share this poster as you wish, especially on Reddit. All I ask is that you respect the license and don’t remove my socials at the bottom. If anyone’s addition is included, I’ll credit them, and if this gets added onto (or translated) by someone else later, they can add their info as well.

I hope someone can find it useful with the subreddit blackouts right around the corner.

I want to thank the Beehaw admins so much for their amazing work!

(Poster edited; I spotted a duplicated word, [email protected] noted the lack of whitespace; current version is slightly larger and has been spaced out. You can still request the 800x2000 size, but know it is a little squished.)

(Edit 2: Removed defederation part as it’s not really required. The email analogy [email protected] suggested has been added, thanks!)

(Edit 3: Here’s another version making the interconnectivity a bit clearer and mentioning some cool-looking reader apps that have been suggested! Also made the image slightly longer for ease of viewing. I might do some small cosmetic changes tomorrow)

(I’ll put out Edit 4 tomorrow, which will include the date the edit was made, will clarify mlem only being available through TestFlight, will mention other Kbin instances, as well as a reminder to confirm emails with any new signup in a timely fashion. Thank you all for the help and tips!)

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Can someone clarify for me - can I 'add' a kbin community to the Lemmy instance I'm on in the same way as any other community? For the first time I'd need to type [email protected] for example (if no-one else had already added that community in my instance)? I ask because I tried to do that, and it doesn't come up under the listed communities. But maybe that's because kbin is overloaded?

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Needs a bit more whitespace to not be a wall of text in my opinion. But looks good in general!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Good point! I can easily resize and add more space.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

What a great infographic, thank you!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Alright so this seems a good a place as any to ask dumb questions... This almost feels like the 90's and using the internet for the first time 🤣

So, I'm viewing this post on lemmy.world, but the content itself is from beehaw.org, simple enough. What happens if beehaw.org is unavailable, let's say permanently shut down, right now? Is the past content still available on other instances or does it just poof? Could I still view this post one day, week, month, year after a shut down? Could I still comment? The image itself I see is hosted directly on the beehaw instance so that obviously depends on a stable instance.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If an instance shuts down, they're supposed to send a "self destruct" notice to all other instances to delete their content, but technically speaking, instances do not have to listen to these notices. Thus, it's possible that deleted or unavailable content still remains available on some platforms.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

so you're saying that even if a post started on a specific instance (like beehaw, for example), and then got deleted from the main source, other instances would still be able to see it? kind of like the light from a supernova reaching us a million light years away?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And what about user accounts ?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lemmy's source code shows that user account deletion means the hosted instance will purge and redact all of that user's content and send a notice to other instances as well, but since it's federation, nobody is required is to listen to these commands, although the vast majority will.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

all the weirdly specific cat subreddits if I don´t have a my r/catloaf idk what I'm going to do.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Here's one for you!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So I'm trying to understand the whole federation thing, I know we can view/reply to the posts/comments on different servers, even to different platforms(?) like kbin/Mastodon while using a Lemmy account, though they might have slightly different formats, but can we sort of "follow" the feeds of other platforms?

Essentially what I'm trying here is to look for a one app/account to rule them all approach, where I can doom scroll through all the feeds from everywhere, kbin, Mastodon, Fedia, Beehaw, you name it.

For instance, since every server appears to have their own Communities/Magazines, I'm wondering if I can just subscribe to something like [email protected], [email protected] and [email protected], and read through all their posts in a single page?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Yes! I use jerboa for android to see all my joined communities on one feed.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Quick question is there normally a long federation delay between kbin and Lemmy?

For example while making a post/comment may be instantaneous, I noticed when using the edit feature for comment title there is a massive delay (6+ hrs sync delay for title change).

Curious is this common or more of a one off

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I cant add my account on mlem. I wonder if I am putting in the correct information for homepage.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I’m having the same problem. It won’t connect to any of the Lemmy servers. I set up accounts on two different instances, and it just keeps saying that it can’t connect. I don’t know if it’s just because of the influx of new peeps from the exodus or if I’m just letting my inner blonde do the driving today.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I can’t even find mlem in the App Store, so you are one step ahead of me.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

It's in beta you you have to grab the Testflight app from the store, then go to https://testflight.apple.com/join/xQfmkJhc on your device and you're in. I just figured this out myself lol.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Related question for all you experts: if I have an account on both (for example) lemmy.ml and lemmy.world, what is effectively the difference between them if I can view content from any federated instance?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The difference is just that you log on using two different sites. They can access the same federated content. Just read the rules of both instances and see if you prefer one or the other.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So, as someone trying desperately to figure this 'decentralized' thing out, what is to stop someone from creating their own 'instance' that simply has 0 moderation or administration, allowing torrents/drug deals/piracy/child pornography. It sounds like there's no overall control over that from Lemmy or anyone, so how would that be policed in any way? It doesn't sound like there's any over-seeing body who could either be held accountable or actually force the removal of that content, correct?

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

AFAIK, the difference is mostly in the performance, moderation, and peering of each instance.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I see, so...

  • If the instance my account is on is down or slow, I may not be able to log in.
  • Only moderators from my account's server can take action against me? This seems... potentially problematic, unless the moderators from federated instances are all in communication with one another? E.g. if I'm a problem on one instance but not my home instance, is there nothing the moderators on the non-home instance can do?
  • Could you elaborate on peering? Does that refer to which Fediverse apps a Lemmy instance can communicate with?
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

@[email protected] @1993_[email protected]

Only moderators from my account’s server can take action against me?

as someone running a fediverse instance: not really... I can "ban" you from my instance, so that people from my instance can't see your post/follow you/interact with you, or delete specific posts from you, so that they don't show up on my instance. but i can't completely remove your account: anyone from any other instance can still see your account and follow you.

if i believe you did something really wrong and should be banned, i'd contact your instance's admin to take actions against you. if they don't comply and i believe it's causing too much issue, i can mute or "defederate" your instance. muting means posts from your instance won't be visible to people on my instance unless they specifically look up your account by name, and defederation makes it so that my instance pretends yours doesn't exist, and will refuse to lookup anyone from your instance, or let anyone from your instance follow some of my instance's people and so on!

hope this helps :3

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm new to this as well, so this is all AFAIK, don't take it as gospel, please correct me readers, etc.

If the instance my account is on is down or slow, I may not be able to log in.

Correct. Your account is tied to your local instance. Unlike mastodon there is currently no way to transfer accounts between instances.

Only moderators from my account’s server can take action against me? This seems… potentially problematic, unless the moderators from federated instances are all in communication with one another? E.g. if I’m a problem on one instance but not my home instance, is there nothing the moderators on the non-home instance can do?

Moderators of communities can delete your posts or ban you from their community. I'm not sure if remote admins can easily ban you from their entire instance.

Remote admins can definitely decide to de-federate your local instance if you and a bunch of peers are being bad trolly spambots.

Could you elaborate on peering? Does that refer to which Fediverse apps a Lemmy instance can communicate with?

Yes. Click "instances" at the bottom of this page to see which instances beehaw federates with. You'll note there are a couple banned instances due to issues with their content or moderation.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Good stuff! Thank you for clarifying. This all makes a lot more sense now.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

np. also wow! a lot more than a couple banned instances now!

that page has changed dramatically in the past couple days

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

that page has changed dramatically in the past couple days

this is because we started using a heavily curated blocklist for the worst mastodon instances (they can interoperate with us). we didn't expect any trouble from any of them, but any instance in the new batch of banned instances can be safely assumed to be quite bad and it's better to be proactive than not.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Question: Why are multiple communities allowed with the same name? Won't that create too much confusion? beehaw.org/c/community is different than lemmy.ml/c/community. Wouldn't it be better that all subs go to a single instance, no matter what the TLD is?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because they are separate communities on separate instances. And despite having the same name can serve highly different purposes. You might start an instance relating to your local city or town. Then if you had a technology sub on that it might be more specifically geared towards talking about technology in your city or town. Others might be more general in topic. But all are just as valid. And you can subscribe to all of them or none of them.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This sounds great ! So if I take a famous video game as an example (for the sake of the argument, pong). maybe lemmy.world/pong is a global english-speaking community and mylocal.place/pong is the community of players near me (in a localized language). What might be strange is a transition period when you look for the biggest worldwide community, but don't know on which instance to subscribe... Very new user here... I am right ?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Yep. and if you're having trouble searching for a community because nobody else on your local instance is a member of the community yet, you could check a site like this:

https://browse.feddit.de/

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Exactly, you can subscribe to both if you like. If communities were unique across instances then a bad actor could set up their own instance and claim all of the community names.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

That's the point of a fediverse. When lemmy.ml admins go crazy and adopt ridiculous policies, you can simply switch to another instance. If all the subs go into a single instance, then it's just the same as reddit, which is a single point of failure.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

It makes the internet feel wild and small again, that’s for sure

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What's the difference between kbin and Lemmy? I saw something about Lemmy having 'baggage' and kbin being a newer iteration?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They're functionally very similar but are two seperately developed pieces of software. The lemmy devs are tankies and many would prefer to completely avoid using something from them. I don't believe there's anything to worry about, as the devs can't control individual instances.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

undefined> tankies

oof. Is there reason why people choose to set up, or use a Lemmy community over kbin then?

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Kbin is a different application, another content agregator suitable for leaving Reddit. The thing is, since we all use the same protocol to communicate (ActivityPub), these two completely different applications can talk to each other :)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Alright, but functionally, for a reddit refuge, which one is "better"?

Edit: and what's Mastodon?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I think kbin has the better feature set currently, but the dev describes the platform as being in "early beta," so IDK if it's ready for serious usage yet. Mastodon is a Twitter-like site. I think Redditors would like Calckey better if they're going for a Twitter-like platform, as Calckey also has threaded comment replies (though theirs is different from Reddit's).

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