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There have been at least 50 school shootings in the United States so far this year, as of September 19. Thirteen were on college campuses, and 37 were on K-12 school grounds. The incidents left 24 people dead and at least 66 other victims injured, according to CNN’s analysis of events reported by the Gun Violence Archive, Education Week and Everytown for Gun Safety.
https://www.cnn.com/us/school-shootings-fast-facts-dg/index.html
Using the GVA as a source, is like expecting trump not to lie.
https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2018/08/27/640323347/the-school-shootings-that-werent
Thank you for fighting the good fight
I don't see the gva anywhere in that article and the numbers in the CNN article are pretty close to the numbers NPR was able to verify
It's literally in the first paragraph:
There have been at least 50 school shootings in the United States so far this year, as of September 19. Thirteen were on college campuses, and 37 were on K-12 school grounds. The incidents left 24 people dead and at least 66 other victims injured, according to CNN’s analysis of events reported by the Gun Violence Archive, Education Week and Everytown for Gun Safety.
And if you read the article from NPR and look at the data from GVA, you will see a pattern of school shootings that aren't school shootings, but are counted as such because they happened near a school or some other reason.
An example is a pellet gun being used to shoot out the window on a school bus on the weekend...do you think that should be counted as a school shooting? I hope you don't.
What source should be used?
And was there more than one school shooting this year? Because that's one more than almost every other Western country.
I'm not sure why you're trying to downplay this problem.
Edit: Don't bother reading below for a source. They don't give one. They're just here to troll.
https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/school-shootings?page=1
Have a go through there. You're literally putting republican logic to your statement..."who cares if it's false, as long as there is a bit of truth somewhere"...
Facts matter when discussing these topics, because they are what's used to create/shape laws. If laws are built upon lies, like the patriot act, then the law was not created with the right goals in mind.
That link shows "school incidents", not "school shootings":
They're all in one link. They don't have a distinction. That's why the data is shit
I agree it should be separated, but that doesn't make it bad data. Unless you don't know how to read tables, but that's more of an individual problem than an issue with the information provided.
It's bad data because it's used as a contention point to make people think mass shootings happen ever 4 seconds or a school shooting every day. When this is completely incorrect. We get pissed at scientist who indulge in their papers, but this gets a pass?
Nope, bad data is incorrect data. This is not incorrect, we just don't like the way it's presented.
You’re literally putting republican logic to your statement…“who cares if it’s false, as long as there is a bit of truth somewhere”…
That is a disgusting lie. I said nothing of the sort.
I'm literally doing the opposite of that since I asked you what source should be used.
Then I asked you if there was more than one.
I didn't say anything even remotely like, "who cares if it’s false, as long as there is a bit of truth somewhere."
You should be ashamed of yourself with trolling this shitty.
I should have realized you'd lie about what I said in direct response to the thing I said yet again since this is the third or fourth time you've done it.
Oh, and now it's time for you to tell the lie that I want to ban guns. You've done that one before.
That is a disgusting lie. I said nothing of the sort.
You did. You're downplaying the fact that the GVA uses junk data to drive an agenda.
I'm literally doing the opposite of that since I asked you what source should be used.
By using the next line of:
Then I asked you if there was more than one.
Which implies that. Who cares as if there is more than one it's the same problem. Which is not the case at all, if we had thousands of kids being killed constantly in school, that's a totally different issue than if we had one outlier shooting every year.
I didn't say anything even remotely like, "who cares if it’s false, as long as there is a bit of truth somewhere."
You pretty much did. You are equally giving weight to false numbers.
You should be ashamed of yourself with trolling this shitty.
You clearly don't understand trolling, at this point you should know I'm not a troll.
I should have realized you'd lie about what I said in direct response to the thing I said yet again since this is the third or fourth time you've done it.
Sure thing, totally... you're all about the truth and you really are for legislation that'll actually fix the problem, not emotionally driven legislation, because even 1 school shooting is the same as 50..
Oh, and now it's time for you to tell the lie that I want to ban guns. You've done that one before.
The end goal is always, a ban from the anti2a crowd. Making something so damn impossible to obtain, is a defacto ban. Just remember that those who put the rules in place, will make sure minorities, LGBTQ+, and women will be the main ones unable to obtain firearms.
Stopped reading at your first line, which was another lie. I asked you which source should be used. That's all I did. I just asked a fucking question. You didn't even answer it.
This conversation is over. You are just a troll.
You asked a loaded question, but if you want to use a source, use the FBI data.
And was there more than one school shooting this year? Because that's one more than almost every other Western country.
This is your own question, which you answered by saying it's one more than almost every other Western country. So no you weren't asking a question, you were trying to make a statement.
~~Sorry bud, I do usually agree with you, but I think you might be in the wrong on this one. Why don't you find the NPR article convincing that maybe these numbers ~~are~~ might be inflated (edit: didn't mean to use a declarative statement there)? Are you contending that NPR is misrepresenting the numbers and/or trying to push an agenda? They don't really have a track record of either as far as I'm aware.~~
edit 2: leaving this because it's still true:
Looking at the actual scope of an issue isn't downplaying it. Nor is checking if the reporting is accurate. And accurate reporting (of data, I mean, as opposed to news) is extremely important when passing laws, so it is something to care about.
FFS! I never said the numbers weren't inflated! I asked for a better source! They refused to give one.
edit: clarified my misunderstanding
~~If you want a better source, that's fine; I don't have one, I'm not that other guy and I'm not trying to prove anything myself. I just want to know what's wrong with NPR as a source, or what's wrong with that particular article.~~
~~I think you might be taking issue with the fact that~~ this guy wants to say the Gun Violence Archive counts non-shooting incidents as shootings? He's wrong, they don't; that GVA link points to "school incidents", where even finding a gun is counted. CNN's methodology for counting seems reasonable.
Nothing's wrong with it. If that's a good source, it's a good source. They said the GVA source was a bad one, so I asked for a better one and got a bunch of lies about myself in return from them.
Frankly, it doesn’t matter what is and what is not counted as a school shooting. If one shooting happens, and one child is murdered-
It’s one too fucking many.
More kids die getting to school, more die from drowning, more die from preventable diseases...the only reason one is to many for you in this instance is because you hate the idea of an armed populous. It's not about the deaths, it's about how they die.
So… wait. You’re….. defending school shootings? If not then maybe back the fuck off. I’m simply saying ONE school shooting is too fucking many.
If you disagree with this. You have a SERIOUS problem.
Just block the troll and move on. :)
They've already been trounced for pulling up a 6 year old article using 8 year old data.
Then they doggedly refused to do the math for recent years that there's literally a school shooting every week in the US.
And that doesn't even touch mass shootings in general.
The really sad part is they do eventually make a point that a lot of the problem is mental health and America's obsession with gun violence. But simply refusing to even admit to the actual frequency of the shootings or that the availability of guns is part of the issue means they'll continue to be ignored.
that honestly seems like on the low side
The front side is a little lower, but still high enough to kill children.
Only 50? IIRC that's a marked improvement from recent previous years.
I like how America's culture comes up to putting angry messages on cars.
I believe the kids say "based".
What does that mean? Old person here.
The opposite of cringe, some times the opposite of biased.
I know the answer to all this. we just need more fetuses with guns.
Or only allow abortions to be post-natal and via firearm?
Damn. That was too dark. I'm gonna go hug my dog now.
The all-new Glock Ba-B-Gonne! When you have a baby you want gone, Ba-B-Gonne!
Apply directly to the baby. Apply directly to the baby.
Through the baby*
They're going to scapegoat people with mental illness and start taking their rights away more and more. Then they'll start using that to target people they don't like. Take certain prescriptions? Now you're on the "dangerous person's list" now "dangerous people" can't hold certain jobs or public office. Been put on a "mental health" hold by the police ever? Same thing. Then the police can just use their "discretion" to put anyone they don't like on a mental health hold. LGBT? That means you're "mentally unhealthy" don't believe in God? Believe it or not "mental health problems" not Republican? Only a psycho believes in dirty socialism. Brown skin? (Insert racist stuff about inferior brain power) Now, of course we can't allow the "mentally unhealthy people" to procreate! So we'll have to sterilize them. Of course they can't be trusted, so we'll need to supervise them at all times! Work is good for mental health so we can give them "jobs" at the "mental health" camps!
Going to? The US has been doing that since the day it gained its independence.
What if I want to actively participate?
A bit like the green card lottery, school shootings are a lottery for "post natal abortions"©
Fun part: every parent gets to play.