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[–] [email protected] 218 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

It took me going to their GitHub to find out, but it’s GPL 3.

[–] [email protected] 63 points 3 weeks ago

really appreciate you reporting back, thanks for sharing!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Why the but? GPL 3 is the correct license to use for open source projects to ensure they stay open and corps don't freeload on them.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

English isn’t my first language. I share your opinion regarding the license. Which connector would you use instead of “but” to indicate that you succeeded in your efforts even though it was harder you thought it would be?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

English is my only language, and yours looks fine to me. I thought it was pretty clear from the first comment that the "but" indicated success despite difficulties, and as you clarified that's exactly what you meant.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

Ah gotcha, you could just omit but in this case and the sentence would have the intended meaning.

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[–] [email protected] 119 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

Very nice, I do hope that helps us finally get a Linux version sometime soon lol

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 weeks ago

Feels like this would be a bigger win for them than a lot of other companies. The people interested in privacy focused alternative to the Google/Microsoft/Apple offerings probably have a lot of overlap with Linux users.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I believe that rclone already has Proton Drive support.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago

It does, yeah. Still, having access to the official client too would be nice.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

sad its on github but am not complaining much

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

can you educate me a bit about what's wrong with that?

[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

bcs github is owned by microsoft its not that private nor open source(like git)

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

wow didn't even know that. they certainly are hiding it well.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago

You people are never satisfied!

[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Will they be now on FDroid? I think only one Proton app is there and it's a little bit sad.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Proton VPN and proton pass

IRRC they even removed all telemetry from pass but not VPN.

They should definitely push drive and calendar there too.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Why the fuck does their VPN have telemetry?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago

Telemetry is not bad in itself. It can be used for bug/crash reports, or usage statistics, without tracking or personal data collection.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Do you want good products? That happens through telemetry. Simple as that.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm curious, any advice on that? How does one do "good" telemetry? I'm the first to complain about Microsoft, Apple, (even worst) Google, Meta and now OpenAI collecting data to sell me stuff... but it's true that also some data is needed to get some kind of introspection in terms of usage. Developers need to understand what is actually happening with the software they develop.

Now I'm wondering specifically about 2 side :

  • how to do the data collection correctly (e.g local only, only send on crash, only send without PII, store only aggregate)
  • how to get informed consent from users (e.g off by default, UX that supports understanding of why it's done and how)

I'm genuinely glad that the mindset around privacy have changed since the last few years but I'm wondering how, when it's a genuinely positive good case (to truly make better products), to do it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

Your app has a button on its front page. No one ever presses that button. With good telemetry, you will know this and remove the button. The only thing you need to know is how many times each user opens the app and how many times they tapped that button. Crash reports can include the causes of errors. Without this data the app might have that unused button there forever and crash everytime anyone taps the donate button and you wouldnt know why you arent getting any dontaions.

Telemetry is usually collected on non metered networks. Usually it is opt-out by default, set by the user in the apps settings. Personally, I'd inform the user of this and let them decice on first startup.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago

It's a VPN! What did you expected? /hj

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago

I started with their email services many years ago, and today I user their email + free calendar. To be true, they went too much far with all these apps, but as long as it works for them thats fine.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Awesome! Cant wait for their wallet thing to become ready and i hope they have support for many types of coins.. also i wish theyd make it so that proton drive work with joplin 😑

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

they can only support one coin legally. for details check out the Opt Out podcasts's episode about this topic

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Can you give a summary of why that is?

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

I want to make the jump from Google apps but I can't because I use GCal heavily and Proton Calendar doesn't (yet) sync to GCal. I can enter in something in GCal and it'll appear in Proton Calendar, but I can't enter in something in Proton Calendar and it shows up in GCal. Hopefully they add that soon.

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