Then we'll be able to see their communities and posts without having to give Reddit ad revenue, so they probably won't do that unless they are really desperate. Even if they attempt something like federate their posts as links to their site, instance owners could just defederate with them, then we're back to square one.
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What if Reddit sent a bill to the Lemmy devs and just started demanding millions of dollars for the API calls?
That's not gonna happen. ActivityPub isn't controlled by Reddit, and instance owners are free to defederate with Reddit if they so choose.
Pros: The Fediverse would gain a significant amount of users and existing communities.
Cons: Those users would be redditors. While most I've seen are polite, some really love to hate others.
Then they would be a part of the fediverse and people on Lemmy would be able to see reddit content and people on reddit could see Lemmy content.
Not sure what the question is. What are the implications? Would be a pretty big deal for a company like reddit to do that. Never gonna happen with current management, of course.
I think instances would ultimately federate with reddit even though lots of people would make a big stink about it, just like with the Threads thing we saw a few weeks ago.
Did major instances federate with Threads? Honestly, all I saw from that fiasco were some screenshots of celebrities making fools of themselves. I never saw the outcome.
Threads hadn't actually coded in the ActivityPub protocol into their system yet when they released. They released a bit early because they were trying to strike while Twitter/X was going through some drama.
According to them at the time they will federate in a few months. Not sure how realistic that is, but it's what they were claiming then. I haven't paid much attention since.
So as of now, nobody is federated with Threads.
Oh, I thought you were implying that Threads was federated. I doubt any instance I'm on will federate with Threads.
Reddit will never do this. The very act of federation would mean hosting and maintaining a publicly accessible API, and they've already made it clear that not doing that is the hill they are willing to die on.
Actively trying to die on, no less!
They could implement ActivityPub and keep their closed API
ActivityPub is, itself, a client/server api. If they implemented that, there would be no need for access to their private API to do everything that any 3rd party app maker would want to do.
I suspect all social networks will need to federate eventually. Just like aol had to let the internet in or fade into irrelevance. I hope it’s something more like nostr then the Fediverse but I see this as inevitable.
To be honest, if Reddit federated I would stay as far away from that shit as I could, because their only goal in doing so would be to allow their users to create relationships with federated users so that those relationships could later be walled off and monetized. Same reason I won't have anything to do with Threads.
Outside of monetization, there is literally zero upside to Reddit federating anything.
But even if there were, they've already pissed me off. Other people can create content for them, and freely partake of bot-filled subs, and be subjected to arbitrary mod and admin comment removals and bans, and be given no real working accessibility tools, and have their ability to block harassing Redditors jacked around with constantly, and have their karma fucked with for crypto, and have anger triggers tossed at them to get them to engage more, and have legit helpful mods (like r/canning) deposed and scabs installed because the overlords can't control them, and dread the day they kill off old.reddit because the official portals are hot steaming catshit, and have pseudo-religious political HeGetsUs jeebus ads rubbed in their eyes between other ads that just look like posts, and also let Spez tell them daily that he loves them forever and won't cum in their mouth.
Not me. Reddit corporate can fuck themselves, and whatever plans they have, sideways with a rusty lawnmower blade. And for anyone who has a problem with this and thinks there's anything even remotely redeemable about Reddit besides the good people who try to make something worthy out of the shit Reddit corporate ladles out, I don't honestly give a fuck. Whatever you think is good about Reddit just means more for you (congratulations!) because I ain't touching that rancid apeshit crypto-hyping cursed IPO corporate cesspool of sociopathy even from the relative safety of the fediverse.
Yeah, I'm a little bitter. But I don't think it shows. :D
I remember when reddit was good. today I deleted the bookmark on my bookmarks bar. I'm done with it, lemmy is my new home. I'll tolerate slightly less content while people still jump ship
I agree with most people here. I don't think it'll be something major. We'll just be able to interact with them without having to use that ~~godawful piece of of crap~~ official app. Of course, that's if instances don't defederate. Reddit has porn and other nsfw stuff so maybe a few instances would defederate, but I don't think lemmings would have as bad a reaction like we did with Threads.
Of course, that's never going to happen, as you've said, because of money.
They would get defederated pretty quickly for all the shit they allow.
I think so too. There were frequently posts and comments from white supremacists and other bad actors on the front of r/all
It would be another exploding-heads type situation
I hope not because there's a lot of Nazis and homophobic people on Reddit. I don't want r/conservative here spreading disinformation like they do and banning anyone who ever raises another viewpoint. Like the other commenters said, they'd probably get defederated because of all the shit they allow. I also don't want all the shitty people of Reddit fighting in the comments.
Would it be a smart thing to do for Reddit to stay relevant after it pissed off so much of its userbase? Probably but they're not exactly known for smart decisions.
They can. Not sure if they would.
As the other post says - Lemmy users would be able to interact with Reddit, and Reddit users would be able to interact with Lemmy.
But the matter of the fact is -
(Userbase of Fediverse) <> (Userbase of Reddit)
And I believe Reddit bothers only about their own userbase, i.e. registered with them.
If I were spez I wouldn't do it (but F U spez anyway)
It would be awesome and an absolute coup for the fediverse and you can't convince me otherwise.
Honestly, this
I really can't understand people who would rather prefer the fediverse to stay small and irrelevant than to open up and find compromises to reach hundreds of millions of active users worldwide and making federated social media mainstream. Compromises will have to be made anyway, as Lemmy is already struggling under growth and poor developed software (it's not anybody's fault, it's literally a project by 2 developers and a few volunteers maintaining servers, they still have a long way to go)
On a sidenote, most Lemmy instances would probably explode under the weight of everyone following subreddit and server needing to replicate all the content from what would be alone several times bigger than the entire fediverse combined.
Who cares.
That would be funny as fuck to see.
Federation is just an agreement between services to share content. It’s like accepting emails from Google while using a Microsoft account. There might be some services/instances that decide they’re not going to share content with reddit, but not everyone will make that decision.
This would mean reddit reverting a shit load of stupid decisions and the instances here to not just defederate them in a instant.
What would happen? Nothing significant.
Even if they did reverse some of their decisions, Lemmy instance admins be like
You're more right than you know. Did you see this recent comment by lemmy.world admin Antik?
Another hexbear user was angry because I didn’t want to transfer a community over to her. She felt like she had the rights to [email protected] over the moderator who created it here on LW because she moderated the original community on reddit. She ask me to just hand it over to her and the reddit mods or rename the current existing one… After I denied to do that - but proposing the be the middle-man in the talks with the current moderator - she started saying “the community will not like that and they will react to this”.
So that’s another thing to keep in mind. I just ignore it now and ban the accounts because there is no talking or being reasonable with these people.
The complete fucking arrogance . . . and no leg to stand on outside Reddit.
lmao just by that petty action alone I wouldn't deem this account fit of having any mod power at all.
I mean the Facebook Twitter thing is also basically fully defederated before they even turned on federation. If reddit does it it will be even more, most people are on lemmy because they despise reddit.