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As you can easily notice, today many open source projects are using some services, that are… sus.

For example, Github is the most popular place to store your project code and we all know, who owns it. And not to forget that sketchy AI training on every line of your code. Don't we have alternatives? Oh, yes we have. Gitlab, Codeberg, Notabug, etc. You can even host your own Gitea or Forgejo instance if you want.

Also, Crowdin is very popular in terms of software (and docs) translation. Even Privacy Guides and The New Oil use Crowdin, even though we have FLOSS Weblate, that you can easily self-host or use public instances.

So, my question is: if you are building a FLOSS / privacy related project, why using proprietary and privacy invasive tools?

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I really need to learn git. Wouldn't it be possible, even trivial, to simply host your own repository nowadays?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

Do you mean the individual .git repository tracking changes in a given directory? Or the remote repository server that you push your changes to and can pull other's changes from? The first one is the fundamental requirement of using git at all, the second is where it gets less trivial.

It's not that the software isn't available. Off the top of my mind, Gitlab offers their community version for free to download and host yourself. I think they even have a Docker image. All you need is to figure out how you would like to do that.

It's the usual question of self-hosting - where would you host it? A server at home? The cloud? Should others be able to access it? How? What about security?

Remotes already hosted by others are just a lot more convenient. You don't worry about the infrastructure, you just push your code. People like me might get more excited about setting up than the actual coding. It's the bane of half my projects - gotta get that git workflow in place, think long-term, set up the "mandatory PR with tests before merge" and shit until eventually I have everything set up... and the spark of the original script I wanted to do is gone.

If you want to focus on coding, the benefit of having a ready setup are hard to dismiss.
On the other hand, setting up and configuring a server can be a one-time job, so if that's worth it to you, power to you!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

Well put!

Gitea is simply amazing! Give it a try!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

I am also thinking of starting an open source project, and honestly, will do it on Github, because so far, GitHub does not require microphone or location access, yadayada... And the AI thing would happen anyway. Do you think Google has not used GitHub repos for training Gemini?

I am very interested in syncing the repo with a federated git server, but from what I am reading Codeberg/Forgejo still don't have federation working?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

I run a few reasonably popular FOSS projects, and basically the reason I use non-free infrastructure where I do is that my users prefer I use that. I love open source, and I love privacy centric services, but not everyone does, and for open source projects, having (and enabling the most) community involvement is more important than privacy centric toolsets.

In a perfect world, I could self host my own code forge and support forum, and everyone would be willing and able to use it, but we don’t live in a perfect world, and I can’t do that yet. If we keep working toward it, I believe it will happen, but it’s just not ready yet.

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