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Interesting problem here. So I self host jellyfin, happy to share my (owned) movies with my family. Well, my mother has asked me to digitize her collection too and have me host it. Originally, fine, you give your movies to me, I host them, same thing.

However, what I didn't bet on was the amount of garbage, terrible movies she would give me. There's a few that are fine, but the vast majority are, well I'll just put it bluntly, christian propaganda. I don't think any of them are as terrible as some of the worst case, but think "My life was horrible until I found god now look and see how fulfilled I am" type propaganda - and they make for horrible plots. Left Behind with Kirk Cameron is a good example. Even removing the blatent boring christian plots - it's just a horribly made movie. Cheap, not thought out well, and honestly I read the book decades ago, it's a horrible adaptation too.

Not that I keep only top tier movies in my libraries, but these are, well they just bring a pit to my stomach.

What would you do in my situation? (And I'm going to go ahead and say the pure atheist comments aren't needed, yes of course I could burn them, or dance around them, but I'm not looking to just burn the bridge between my mother and myself over a lifetime of her indoctrination and bad taste in movies). I'm more looking for generic, how do you handle your users asking you to put content you don't find appealing on your server?

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[–] [email protected] 143 points 6 months ago (1 children)

If its just for her, I don't really care what content I host for family unless it straight up nazi/gay hate shit. New age "found christian" movies are massive yuck, but innocuous otherwise. She's gonna consume them regardless of whether you host them or not.

Move it to its own library, make sure to rip in low quality (480p low bitrate) so you're not spending too much disk space in her, and let it be. It's not worth driving a rift in the family over.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 6 months ago

Good level headed reply, I like this. Others have suggested that as well, I'll move the crud over to her own library, then it doesn't pollute my main library and I can hide it from the others.

[–] [email protected] 85 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I don't have this problem exactly, but what I would recommend is putting it in a specific separate library. You could even set it up so only your mother's account can access it, and you never have to see it, or you could have it visible but never go to it.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

Would probably do this, but also rip it in very poor quality to be sure it does not take too much space :D

[–] [email protected] 19 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Malicious compliances in action. Not that you can't do, but this can tense up the relationship.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 months ago

This is a good idea, and an approach I'm going to think about and probably take. Then it's away from everything else, and not polluting my actual good movies.

[–] [email protected] 72 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Separate library for her movies, only her user can access, done.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 months ago

This here OP! ☝️

Jellyfin lets you do this easily.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 6 months ago (2 children)

A solution would be to place these movies in a seperate Library and only give your mother access to that library, so it does not show up for you other users.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 6 months ago (1 children)

This is it. Also given the low quality of the movies production wise you can even rip them at suboptimal settings. I am sure Mom won't care if she watches her Christian propaganda at 4k or 720p with some visual artifacts.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 months ago

Pretty much this it gets it's own folder and in jellyfin it's own library. You just give mom access to this and whatever else you want to. you unselect that library for everyone else. The setting is under users. It's straightforward and is a check mark based select. You probably have it set to all libraries right now. Uncheck that and you can pick and choose per user.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 6 months ago (3 children)

I’m not entirely sure what those movies are like, and don’t want to know, but …..

My Mom watches horrible Hallmark stuff constantly. As far as I can tell, every movie has the same plot, they are low quality, etc. The thing is they are simple feel good movies for her. She finds them relaxing and gets good feelings from them, perfectly appropriate for “entertainment “.

If there is any parallel here, my point is that you don’t have to appreciate them for your Mom to. Why does it matter whether you agree with the movies or not: do you love her? Do you want to help her with entertainment that makes her feel good /relaxed/entertained?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago

Yeah this is the only post that I agree with so far.

To op, also have in mind that re watching movies many years later can feel a bit cringe even with great and recognized movies. People change their expectations over time and the collective aesthetics do too.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 6 months ago

I tell people, like my friend that wanted a bunch of drivel kids stuff, that if they give me 2 hard drives I'll set them up as their own library.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Just say you can't rip them because they have godly protection;)

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 months ago

They've got strong DRM (Divine Rights Management)

[–] [email protected] 22 points 6 months ago

You made an offer likely knowing what content your mother consumed.

Also, doing this for her means those charlatans aren't actually getting her money.

Something to consider in favor of doing your mom a solid.

Just make sure you out satanic films in the folder and rename them to Christian themed titles.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 months ago

Just put them in a separate library and only share it with people that ask for it.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Do one of the following:

  1. Tell your mother you're not comfortable hosting that type of content as a non-believer.
  2. Lie and hand back the propaganda movies and say you couldn't rip them to some unknown rip protecting they use and there's not enough resources online to figure it out.
  3. Host the content and let your mother liver her life and don't say anything.

I'd personally use option 1, but you do you.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I don't know if you can do this with Jellyfin but this is what I could do with Plex:

  • create an account for her
  • create a new dir for her movies
  • create a new movie library called "Mom's special" which watches this dir
  • share the new library with her account
  • share the rest of the libraries with her account
  • drop the garbage in the special dir

In the end no one else sees Mom's special, while your mom sees everything and Mom's special.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You can do this with Jellyfin, exactly like your instructions.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Perfect. That checks one more requirement on my migration checklist. 🥹

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago

I migrated from Plex to Jellyfin maybe a year and a half ago and haven't looked back. Great user experience and works so well out of the box IMO. Good Android app, too. Works with Chromecast, too (though I've been trying to ditch Chromecast in favor of just a laptop connected to the TV via HDMI).

I started digitizing old home movies that were on VHS and created a "Home Movies" library for my family; none of us had watched them in ages since none of us have a VCR anymore, lol. Great mother's/father's day gift for one's parent if you've got the time and equipment. It's nice having the whole family able to easily stream our home movies.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 months ago

For my wife, I have a separate library folder, mapped to just her account in Plex. It doesn't appear in my library at all, so I don't really care. Even better, I've spun up an Overseerr instance for her, so she can just search and auto-add anything she wants for herself.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 months ago

It was a mistake to agree to that. Also I don't see how the types of movies change a thing

[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 months ago (1 children)

If there are just a few movies just make a separate library or something. If there are a fuck ton of shit movies that takes up lots of time to rip or use lots of storage, just say no.

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[–] realbadat 16 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I say "no", but for your case and for your mom, I'd agree with what others have said, a standalone library.

BUT! Only the Christian movies. Put them in a library called "The Christerion Collection".

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 months ago

"Jewish Fanfics"

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

You could make a new movie library named “Christian Propaganda”, put them all in there, and only give your mom access. She’ll probably be mad, but it’ll be funny and you’re technically abiding by her request. Once you have your laugh, you can change the name to “Christian Movies”.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I'd just host them in a library only visible to mom and members that would want to view it.

Also consider the unintentionally comedic value of such films, they're sometimes fun to watch just because of how bad they are.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Watch them. Start a podcast.

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[–] MXX53 11 points 6 months ago

I disagree with my mah and old man a lot. But, when I was having hard times as a kid, giving them headaches and heartaches, and when I struggled as an adult they were there to tell me they loved me, hug me, feed me regardless of what I believed. They have always loved me unconditionally.

If it ain't illegal. I'll host it for them, no questions asked. If I ever needed anything, those are two people I know will be there every time, without fail. It's the least I can do to try and pay them back, even if I know I never could.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I loooove bad movies. Not religious-bad, more mystery science theater bad.

I rip everything and plunk it into it's own library just for me.

If you have the space and time, go ahead and limit access to her. She's already seen them or will anyway. You hosting a file for one individual isn't going to tip the grand scale of anything.

If you have a moral issue against it, don't host the content. You've already made up your mind, it's just taking you a while to realize it.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I mean, you don't have to watch it.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I don't like hosting things I disagree with for others to view and consume

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago

I'd keep the physical library around and just digitize as and when she asks for specific stuff. You'll probably never back up half the library. That or stick it on a HDD out of the way and transfer the few she wants, then tuck the drive in a draw forever in case she wants something else.

Jellyfin must have a feature like Plex where certain user accounts can have certain libraries attached? You could use that to avoid having to look at those crappy movies in your library.

I don't really have much of an issue with family recommendations but I do tell them that the space isn't unlimited so if they don't watch something they asked for I'm likely to remove it for something we WILL watch. In your case, you could at least have leverage to get her to narrow down what needs hosting and what doesnt.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago

I'd say a good middle ground could be making that stuff only visible from your mom's user (or even setting up a completely separate server)?

It depends on what YOU want to do, really... personally, I would be ok hosting religious nonsense if asked, as long as it's not generally available in kids' accounts and stuff (also, porn), but I would come clean and outright refuse if it was neonazi,racist and/or conspiracy stuff. It depends on where you decide to draw the line.

BTW: there's also the passive/aggressive, cowardly option of sayng "I'll rip them when I have time" and then sequester all the DVDs and only ever find the time to rip the ones you don't mind

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago

"No."

User requests come through ombi and I'll reject whichever ones I feel like. No explanations, I just don't.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago

Host it exclusively to her user or don't host it at all. If you're not going to host it, you know your mother better than any of us, so you'll know which approach would work better.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Troll mode: Rip the first 5 minutes of each movie then splice in Rick Astley

Troll activist mode: Rip the first 5 minutes of each movie then splice in Richard Dawkins' The God Delusion live reading

Troll comedian mode: Rip the first 5 minutes of each movie then splice in Monty Python's The Life of Brian

Activist mode: Find a set of movies to rename that teach about the harm religion has caused

Ethical absolutist mode: Refuse to host them, and explain why

Non-confrontational familial support mode: Give Mom a unique user and make the god movies only accessible to that user

In all seriousness it depends on what your priorities are. Is it more important to you to provide judgement-free support to your mom so she knows she can rely on you, or is it more important to try to reduce harm in the world by deplatforming harmful media? Or maybe it's more important to try to teach your mom what's wrong with those movies and you can come to an arrangement where she can watch those movies only if she agrees to watch movies you choose in equal amounts (since you can track it) to counteract the propaganda?

What is most important to you?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Ive not shared mine to the point anyone can arbitrarily get media. They have to ask. And I can always say “Oh its not available on my sources” or whatever

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I personally believe that preserving a false and misleading picture of reality designed to trumpet a deranged cult that is working to make the world objectively worse for everyone including themselves is not acceptable.

I would say, "Look mum I love you more than anything in the world but preserving some of these movies crosses an ethical line for me."

Of course I grew up in a house of atheist jewish academics, so making and justifying personal ethical stances that contravene wider group stances is expected behavior in my family. And we take document preservation fairly seriously.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

Build her a server, install it at her house, set up some sort of automated DVD ripping mechanism so that she can digitize her own collection, wait for the inevitable tech support call, then go spend a Sunday afternoon fixing her server and digitizing her collection for her while she makes you dinner. You get to call it "quality time", and you get fed while keeping her happy and her collection as far away from yours as possible. Win/win, everyone is happy.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

Well, just don't host them, what she gonna do? Tell the police ?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

Use your words. Tell her you don't want to and why.

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