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[–] TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee 5 points 11 months ago

Zero grew up from the seeds of the undefined, just like negative numbers and people who refuse to accept that the square root only has one value. Undefined is a pathway to many abilities some would consider unnatural.

[–] pythonoob 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Zero is a number. Need I say more?

[–] mexicancartel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 11 months ago

Bbbutt....... Is it a "Natural" number?

[–] Mio@feddit.nu 3 points 11 months ago

How about minus zero?

[–] moon@lemmy.cafe 3 points 11 months ago (4 children)

How can nothing be a number

[–] StuffYouFear@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

Wouldnt it be best to think of it more as the representation of the absence of something?

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[–] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

N is the set of "counting numbers".

When you count upwards you start from 1, and go up. However, when you count down you usually end on 0. Surely this means 0 satisfies the definition.

The natural numbers are derived, according to Brouwer, from our intuition of time of time by the way. From this notion, 0 is no strange idea since it marks the moment our intuition first begins ^_^

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

0 is natural.

Source - programming languages.

[–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

*Most programming languages

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[–] baseless_discourse@mander.xyz 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I don't personally know many programming languages that provide natural number type in their prelude or standard library.

In fact, I can only think of proof assistants, like Lean, Coq, and Agda. Obviously the designer of these languages know a reasonable amount of mathematics to make the correct choice.

(I wouldn't expect the same from IEEE or W3C, LOL

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It's really just a joke about counting from 0 instead of 1.

[–] baseless_discourse@mander.xyz 2 points 11 months ago

Oh, array indexing, sure.

[–] baseless_discourse@mander.xyz 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

countable infinite set are unique up-to bijection, you can count by rational numbers if you want. I don't think counting is a good intuition.

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[–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

So 0 is hard. But you know what? Tell me what none-whole number follows right after or before 0. That's right, we don't even have a thing to call that number.

[–] bitfucker 4 points 11 months ago

I think p-adic has that

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