so what? people cant protest?
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Adams had made the "outside agitator" claim that sounded like pure BS. This gives his statement at least a semblance of accuracy
Was the other half faculty?
I would doubt that. It seems rare that professors are getting engaged. Not unheard of but it’s a small portion of the overall protestors. A question worth asking though
Pure speculation, but I could also easily see it just being kids from other nearby schools that heard about a protest at Columbia and rode the subway up from NYU, or CUNY, or any number of schools in the area. Technically outsiders at that point, but I wouldn't really consider them as such.
Thing is outsiders are much more likely to stir things up than local students - at least in my experience. This applies to parties and other events as well, not just protests.
When the ratio of who is getting arrested vs who isn't looks like it does then I start to wonder if they were there to protest or just create problems.
"Half of the people arrested weren't students" doesn't sound bad, unless you stop to realize one thing. The majority of those protesting were students.
Think about it. There aren't that many non students there. The majority of the protesters were students. Yet HALF of those arrested were not students. How is that possible? Unless a lot of the non students just showed up to create problems.
The claim is that they were outside agitators, i.e. there specifically to commit crimes, not that they were just outsiders.
That's exactly what I'm saying. If the percentage is that high then a LOT of them were literally there just to create a problem.
Think about it. The vast majority of the people protecting were students. Yet HALF of those arrested were outsiders. There is only one way that happens. An I saying every single one of the outsiders were trouble makers? No and neither was the commenter. The point is you don't get percentages like this unless people showed up to create problems.
Why a lot? Why can't most of them just have been there to protest peacefully?
I went to anti-gulf war protests at Indiana University when I was in middle school in 1991. I was in the protest camp cooking food and doing odd jobs. I was an outsider. Was I an outside agitator?
How do you get to half of those being arrested being outsiders. When the vast majority of those protesting were students? The only way that happens is if those people that got arrested were there to create problems. If one person gets arrested maybe it was the individual maybe it was the cop. If you get to these kinds of numbers then I'm going to start asking questions and start looking at those who are getting arrested. Am I saying ALL those outsiders were Just there to create problems? No. That was never implied. But it can't be ignored that half of those arrested are outsiders. So that means we have to logically start asking were those people there to protest or create problems. With it being half (and obviously everyone who created a problem didn't get arrested) that means there was a significant amount of people there from the outside who were troublemakers.
No idea of how you came to a conclusion that I was saying that since you went to a protest that you were a troublemaker.
No. That is not the "only way that happens."
New York is a huge city. Anyone can go to Columbia to protest. Many people feel sympathy and solidarity.
That assumes all arrested were arrested specifically for doing something wrong, other than protesting.
The majority of the protesters were students.
I don't believe that was ever stated.
Why does someone not being a student at the school mean "they're there to create problems?"
You're meant to wonder that - it's part of an intentional narrative. How is it possible? Because police don't arrest everyone they detain. For one documented example of this, look to the Cop City protests in Atlanta:
(Sorry about the paywall, so quoting below):
There’s a certain irony, then, that in statements on Sunday’s arrests, Atlanta police officials have made a point of blaming “outside agitators” for taking up militant action. Out of 44 people originally detained in Sunday’s forest raid, the 11 people released without charge all had Atlanta addresses. Twenty-one of the 23 activists charged with domestic terrorism are from out of state.
City officials said 29% of the 112 people arrested at a protest at Columbia on Tuesday were not affiliated with the school. At the City College protest, 60% of the 170 arrested were not affiliated with the school, according to the city's press release.
"Not students" isn't as informative as "not affiliated with the school".
In that light, the numbers reported are much different between the two colleges and the headline should reflect that.
I've seen interviews where students from other colleges came over to protest. A "not affiliated" could still be a student, just from a different school.
29% of 112 and 60% of 170 is 134, which is 47.7% of the total. Math checks out.
Yeah, but the context matters. Columbia is the one that's been leading news stories, received the bulk of the commentary about "outsides agitators", and had some of the more extreme policing just occur that they're trying to justify.
This isn't just math. The language can be interpreted multiple ways.
I'd also argue that affiliated doesn't mean student.
The cops are not students. They should not be attending student protests.
should be illegal for those who bring violence to be there, yes
should certainly also be illegal to go from "one guy threw a rock" to a response of "kettle everyone and beat the fuck out of them"
I didn’t realize protesting required a school ID.
If you believe other sources, that statement is bullshit
Idk that we can do any better than "he said, she said" at this point. Gotta wait for names to be released and independently confirmed
As everyone knows, every student is only allowed to have relationships with people in the school they attend. If for some reason, they have an illicit relationship with someone outside of the educational institute, said partner or friend is required, BY LAW, to not attend, acknowledge, offer support, or even be within 100 yards of the student that is protesting at their educational institute, in case there arises a need to round up, beat and arrest the offending individual.
Certainly, NYPD should not have expected unaffiliated people to be in that crowd, and the simple existence of such people will certainly confuse and annoy NYC officials to whom these obvious facts would be known.
Thank god we have such intelligent and trustworthy individuals making decisions that affect democracy and the rule of law in this land. God save America.
last time i checked everyone has the right to protest in the US
See, the problem was that they were ~~potentially committing violence or destruction~~ making billionaires feel uncomfortable so the goons had to come out to squash it.
There's also extreme antisemitism and Hamas is the campus itself! Eric Adams wouldn't lie to protect Israel right?
The Mayor is intentionally conflating those arrested outside the campus and those inside the campus.
That tracks with the Portland protest:
"By the end of the day, police reported they had arrested 30 people, of which only seven were self-declared students.
Authorities are still searching for at least 18 other protesters who fled the library during its initial occupation Thursday morning as well as its second occupation that night."
Keep hearing about foreign money and propaganda pushing unrest in the USA. But that couldn't be a factor here of course. Never.