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AMD confirms Radeon GPU sales have nosedived (www.pcgamesn.com)
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[–] [email protected] 54 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Because you have wasted like 5 opportunities that NVIDIA has given you to penetrate the market on a silver platter

The 7000 series could have been so successful if they would have been willing to undercut NVIDIA significantly, it was the perfect time to strike at a time when there was a lot of discontent with NVIDIAS ridiculous pricing and VRAM offerings. But AMD would rather sell two cards at 1000 each than take the bet of trying to sell four at 750.

At least in the past you could argue that they were not in a position to take huge bets in the graphics market but they've been doing too well as a company for that excuse to hold any value anymore. The last two generations can only be explained with complacency and lack of ambition.

At this point AMD kinda deserves to give up their position to Intel in the graphics market, let's see if the new player is willing to penetrate aggressively because the old player two is clearly ok with where they are at.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago

Its called oligopoly

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago

But AMD would rather sell two cards at 1000 each than take the bet of trying to sell four at 750.

At the same time though this might not be unreasonable. I don't know what the profit margin on these cards is given the R&D, manufacturing costs, and other various overheads, but it might be WAY more worth it to sell two at 1000 then four at 750. Might even be worth it to sell one at 1000 vs four at 750 depending on how slim it is after all those costs.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 6 months ago

Well I'm grabbin' one for my new build. Nvidia is just too much of a hassle on Linux.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I love AMD cards, but they seem to be wrongly adamant in their opinion that their cards are worth as much as nvidia cards. Nor do they have the right to be asking so much from such small share of the graphics market.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 months ago (2 children)

No cuda, no dlss, no ray tracing.

Nvidia is also overpriced since COVID days. A graphics card should not cost as much as the entire rest of the computer.

Bring me back the top card for 600CAD and I could go for it. But for cards north of 1.2k, fuck that. I'd go AMD purely just because of their Linux support compared to Nvidia. But I'm holding onto my 2070 super with weak hopes prices will become sane again in the future.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Amd cards have Ray tracing, and their own fsr

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 months ago

I much prefer FSR as it's a more open system. DLSS only works on Nvidia because Nvidia wants it to only work on Nvidia. FSR might be a step behind tech wise but it's improving all the time.

I think it's easy to draw a comparison here with the G-Sync vs Freesync debate that has pretty much resulted in total victory for AMD. From my observations G-Sync clings to life in only the very highest end bleeding edge turbo gamer monitors.

More open and permissive standards hopefully win out in the end.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

They have inferior ray tracing performance for their price and fsr has inferior image quality/performance in comparison to dlss. Even intel's xess is superior to fsr. And thats on top of amd cards using more power per frame rendered while offering extremely marginal rasterization performance/price improvement over nvidia.

So in the end, people would rather pay 10% more and get an nvidia card. And thats without taking into account the perceived brand value.

Amd gpus are in their bulldozer days. They need a zen like pump in their architecture or a significant price cut. People shit on nvidia for selling neutered overpriced cards but amd deliberately prices its own cards barely cheaper than nvidia's.

Imagine if the 7800xt was 400€. We wouldnt be having this conversation. Are you telling me that amd's margins are so narrow that they cant do that? Then either nvidia isnt scamming us or they have brilliantly created something that has lower cost than amd's cards, while offering similar performance. I am not sure which scenario is better for AMD.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

I never told you anything about margins

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

Been a while since I looked I guess 😅.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

You're not the NVIDIA target market anymore.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 6 months ago

Make the 7700 XT 350$ and adjust the reset of the stack accordingly, problem solved. At this point you'd actually be offering a noticible better value than Nvidia.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Woulda bought one of those 7900xtx's, if I could friggin have found one.

That maybe might have something to do with why the sales are not so hot. Just sayin...

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Well, they have decided they're only doing basic and mid-tier cards now, tough luck.

(Why? Who knows.)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I went with a 4070ti, and honestly this is my last time building a gaming PC, because I just don't see the advantage anymore vs just buying a PlayStation for like 1/4 of the cost.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Well, you can do a lot more things with a PC. Also, I'm playing Fallout 3 again on my Steam Deck and while it works fine, it's really super inconvenient compared to a mouse and keyboard (but my machine has no place to go until the renovation work is done at home, so the Deck is it for now).

But they're both fine, just not suited to the same things.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

In my personal case a PS5 would be just fine. I spent a pile of money building an overpowered gaming PC, I'm in my 40s, work too much and have young kids, in retrospect it was kind of stupid. Should have just bought the PlayStation, but anyways, what do you do. It is fun to build and troubleshoot/fine tune them, I do enjoy that part. And I do get the appeal for others that want to mod and the like, it's just not personally that applicable.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Hmmmm... I wonder why....

Over $1000 for latest gen GPU that still has the same 16GB VRAM as the last generation

[–] [email protected] 45 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I'm not sure what you mean? This article is about AMD. Nvidia is the one that skimps on the vram. Amd's 7800 xt has 16 gb of vram and is $500. Their most expensive gpu is the 7900 xtx for about $950 currently and it has 24 gb.

Nvidia 4080 is over $1000 and has 16 gb of vram though.

I agree gpus are too expensive, but if amd gpus go under, Nvidia will have even more power to price gouge. I'm rooting for Intel too to bring even more competition in.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 months ago

Also, when AMD goes under, Linux users are fucked even more.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

I'm rooting for Intel too to bring even more competition in.

I really hope the next generation can push into the midrange too. That's kinda where the meat is at in regards to the market size. Unfortunately I feel they'd likely steal more from AMD than from Nvidia.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago

figure out how to make them affordable again.

im assuming this ridiculous pricing isnt just greed but it might as well be.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago

I'm not a gamer, but I remember their drivers for even their high-end cards were a fucking nightmare on Linux.

It's not that hard to give the open source community what they need in order to build their own drivers, or enough source for them to get things working properly. This was one of their dumbest moves among many dumb moves.