Have a look at tilvids.com. I know of a couple of large YouTubers that crosspost their stuff there, and there are probably more that I don't know about.
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Nebula has been quite successful as far as I can tell. A whole bunch of educational YouTubers have moved over or were part of establishing it and honestly it works well. Videos can download to your device, the quality is the same, the app is a tiny bit janky but nowhere near as bad as all the ads etc on the YouTube app, and the cost is actually reasonable and goes in a reasonable share to the creators. I strongly prefer direct access to creators like this and also like on Patreon. Direct support means there is no advertiser in between to demonetise a video or have it taken down because it is controversial. You can't even have a WW2 documentary on YouTube but you can have actual Nazis, but on Nebula you get analysis and history without Nike or Surfshark being reticent to sponsor a video.
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Doubt it, it's expensive to host and creators won't have ways to ways to monetize it as easily as YouTube.
Also, I wouldn't really call the Twitter and Reddit cases "exodus". As much as I would like to see the fediverse succeed, the number of users on mastodon and Lemmy are just a blip on the radar.
I still see the same links on my Lemmy frontage days after they have been submitted, it's far less active than Reddit.
I hate this notion that a platform isn't successful unless it has a billion users. As long as there's a critical mass of people, it's fine. One thing I've realised browsing lemmy for the past week is just how much of my Reddit experience was defined by the same handful of Twitter screenshots and rehosted tiktoks being reposted over and over again like every week.
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I still see the same links on my Lemmy frontage days after they have been submitted, it's far less active than Reddit.
That problem stopped the instant I switched to Kbin. There is a ton of activity happening that you are missing.
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I wouldn't for the reasons mentioned by others.
There's no monetization; I would have to find, attract, and deal with sponsors on my own.
There's not really much in the way of audience which makes the above harder since I would need numbers/
There's also the whole thing about bandwidth.
Then there's all the sysadmin stuff to do, security updates, etc.
Then there's still the legal and other admin roles, presumably, about DMCA, etc.
I do not have the time for any of that right now.
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Peertube always felt hard to use, and no one has really caught on to it imo.
If you think an ad-pocalypse is bad, then why would they jump to a platform with no ads at all? They'd likely be paying to be on that platform. Also the fact streaming video from a self hosting platform is much more demanding then text fedi instances like Lemmy or Mastodon. Also no way the fedi could keep up with even a fraction of YouTube's creator tools, or their audience which is their bottom line.
YouTube will probably never be replaced. We can at least go for private front ends like Invidious.
https://tutanota.com/blog/google-youtube-invidious-privacy-alternative
Google is probably going to kill private front ends rather sooner than later. First signs are already there.
Except they can't - invidious uses the same front end APIs as the YouTube website. It probably also does web scraping.
Sure it's a violation of TOS(frontend TOS - not API TOS) but because it latches on to publicly available parts of the YouTube system (in a similar way to yt-dlp) it's essentially got a free pass - you can't stop people from using freely accessible parts however they want. As a result it's not able to use the accounts system (or at least, it shouldn't be.
Yt doesn't really have a leg to stand on.. it might not stop them from trying to sue. But in the very least it won't stop people from forking the invidious code and building their own in a sort of striesand effect. Even if the original product dies, invidious as a whole won't, and can't die.
I think this is super interesting, and a really good idea. But as others have stated in this thread, very costly.
However until technology catches up, maybe we could have an interstitial federated platform. One that's super decentralized. Like 90% of the users running their own instance, decentralized. Anyone with a NAS can host they're own vids. Then the other 10% that are willing to host high bandwidth, high capacity servers, can work as caching for the most popular videos.
First I’ve heard of alternatives to YouTube. Do they pay content creators the same or is it just people posting for free there?
They are just offering the free service of video hosting. There are no advertisements and no paid accounts, so all they could share are costs, not income. They are not an advertisement/monetarization service.
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Would creators actually move there? Say what you will about YouTube but at least they usually compensate the creators.
That's unlikely. Both Reddit and Twitter speak or at least spoke to people who enjoy a certain image of being anti establishment (in one way or another and whether that's warranted or not). Youtube just doesn't. You can't get more mainstream than Youtube.
Yes and no. We had TV before YouTube. And yet people still wanted YouTube. Now, YouTube is going full circle and turning into TV. At the end of the day, people just want a place where they can share some cat videos, and random funny clips and memes without all the monetisation, adds, regulation, political correctness, and sanitization. It's just too out of touch for a lot of people.
I'm not sure if the next tube platform will have p2p or federation, but I do know that business models that don't make the user the client always end up dieing from enshitification. People just get fed up of not being catered to. It's just a matter of when, not if.
Biggest issues with Peertube so far: Lack of content Lack of an iOS client
If Youtube blocks Adblockers, maybe.. but I think ppl will go to Odysse&Co first
Replacing YouTube is a bad idea
I would rather go for reasonable competition. Ideally more than one. I really enjoy nebula for example.
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I see the switch from YouTube will be the final move, because it is has the most hurdles to overcome. Smart people will eventually figure out an efficient way to get things rolling. Fingers crossed it's soon!
its really interesting how much we want an alt to common social medias now imo. for example, streamers are migrating from Twitch to Kick, and as you mentioned, Youtube to PeerTube/rumble
All these companies are constantly pushing just how greedy they can be and it's getting so tiresome. Short term gains and shareholders are the worst thing to happen to a free Internet aside from governments
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