Regardless of what you think of rich ass corporations, this is an important liability issue. United shouldn't be on the hook for losing money when it was Boeing's fault
this post was submitted on 17 Apr 2024
149 points (98.1% liked)
News
23014 readers
2 users here now
Welcome to the News community!
Rules:
1. Be civil
Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.
Obvious right or left wing sources will be removed at the mods discretion. We have an actively updated blocklist, which you can see here: https://lemmy.world/post/2246130 if you feel like any website is missing, contact the mods. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted seperately but not to the post body.
3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.
Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.
4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source.
Posts which titles don’t match the source won’t be removed, but the autoMod will notify you, and if your title misrepresents the original article, the post will be deleted. If the site changed their headline, the bot might still contact you, just ignore it, we won’t delete your post.
5. Only recent news is allowed.
Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.
6. All posts must be news articles.
No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials or celebrity gossip is allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis.
7. No duplicate posts.
If a source you used was already posted by someone else, the autoMod will leave a message. Please remove your post if the autoMod is correct. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.
8. Misinformation is prohibited.
Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.
9. No link shorteners.
The auto mod will contact you if a link shortener is detected, please delete your post if they are right.
10. Don't copy entire article in your post body
For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
Then they should.sue Boeing like any other business. Picking a faulty vendor means sorting it out with the vendor.
There ought to be an outright ban on Boeing airplanes and a class action lawsuit against the company for putting peoples' lives in danger and causing reputation damages to flight companies.
Such bans, or rather groundings, are up to the FAA. So far, they actually let Boeing self-regulate. Maybe this will change that stance.
What does the contract say?
All I hear us how much United Airlines makes in earnings in 3 weeks on a slice of their business.
United Airlines says their shitty choice of vendor cost them $200M - FTFY
Because there's so many to choose from?
Airbus is the only notable competitor in this class of aircraft, IIRC.
Alaskan Airlines as well. They kept getting pressure cabin alerts, never finding the problem, and just resetting the warning system. They even went so far as to instruct that this plane was not to go over water so it could land if it had an issue.
The door plug is absolutely on Boeing but AA was negligent on how it handled the warning it got multiple times before the blowout happened.
Was the door plug issue all of Boeing's fault though? The airline doesn't have any inspectors itself?
Boeing wrote the service manuals and maintainance schedule. If the airline was supposed to do a test to catch the mistake but didn't, boeing would mention it.
A door plug is part of the fuselage, and it is hidden behind wall panels. An airline isn't expected to disassemble the entire interior to check the structure upon taking delivery of the plane.
The pressure fault the plane had before the blowout wouldn't have lead to a check of the door plug even if it had gotten the service before the blowout.
If you bought a car and the door just fell off while you were driving to work one day, would it be your fault for not checking the bolts?
It is much easier to check the bolts on your car door than the bolts on a door plug. They're not hidden behind a wall like the door plug bolts.
On the other hand, airplanes come with much stricter maintenance schedules. You don't have to replace the engine of your car every 500 hours, you might need to in an airplane.
The question is what is in the service manual. It might look unreasonable, but it's part of the deal when buying a plane. If a competitor makes a plane that needs less maintenance, airlines will buy more of that plane.
There are like a million bolts on a plane, and not all are easily accessed or listed as things to check on regular maintenance. It sounds like these were not easily accessible.or seen and not something that would be regularly checked.
Like how a lot of bolts on cars and trains and aubways are not readily accessible or checked before the vehicle is put into seevice becsuse it is assumed that the factory's quality control took care of them.