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[ OPINION] ‘Israelis go back to Europe?’ Some on the left need to rethink their slogans | Jo-Ann Mort (www.theguardian.com)

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Why? It's their fault.

As a sort of outsider afaik: many ( Germans) probably still feel the cultural guilt. Also, technically and morally the Germans have made reparations and ammendments ; still many have therefore a soft and blind spot for the Jewish cause. And for sure the Holocaust should never been forgotten.

But the diaspora started many centuries ago. Zionisim started as a (revolutionary) reaction to this dispersal, and as a wakeupcall for the ppl to unite at the end of 19th century iirc.

These (displacement & refuge) problems and in this case ages of racism (antisemitism) are ancient.

And just to be clear, they're not the only (lost/disturbed) tribe worldwide. Imo, many palestines must specially now be experiencing somewhat similar or parallel to what happened to many Jews during WW II, which makes it even crazier.

It's just ancient history repeating itself, only the name, the places and the dates have been changed..

I imagine, and this is a recent discussion, that the UN charter and all humanitarian organisations must change and modernize our legal framework and organisation. There are and are going to be way more refuges and horrors in the years to come.

it's jut so saddeing as fuck. Idk

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Zionism actually started much earlier, the idea to offload the Jews has its origins in the 17th century and originated from European anti-Semitic elites. They wanted to get rid of the Jews and have a geopolitical entity there. Zionism was also not a mainstream position of Jews in the 19th century.

This has little to do with ancient history, it’s a colonial project initiated by European anti-semites and some European Jews in the last couple hundred years, but especially since the 1870s.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

My response was in the context of that one spefic remark, earlier. Apart from that, sure many nuances can be made, ofc.

But afaik, it was a Jewish person ( Herzl) who initiated it, and later asked support from European powers. wiki Zionism

"The Zionist movement was founded in the late 19th century by secular Jews, largely as a response by Ashkenazi Jews to rising antisemitism in Europe, exemplified by the Dreyfus affair in France and the anti-Jewish pogroms in the Russian Empire. The political movement was formally established by the Austro-Hungarian journalist Theodor Herzl in 1897 following the publication of his book Der Judenstaat"

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

According to some other* Jewish people:

Jewish Voice for Peace - Our approach to Zionism

While it had many strains historically, the Zionism that took hold and stands today is a settler-colonial movement, establishing an apartheid state where Jews have more rights than others. Our own history teaches us how dangerous this can be.

Palestinian dispossession and occupation are by design. Zionism has meant profound trauma for generations, systematically separating Palestinians from their homes, land, and each other. Zionism, in practice, has resulted in massacres of Palestinian people, ancient villages and olive groves destroyed, families who live just a mile away from each other separated by checkpoints and walls, and children holding onto the keys of the homes from which their grandparents were forcibly exiled.

(* I use the word "other" because jewish zionists are super active in the relevant wiki pages. See relevant video: Former Israel PM Naftali Bennett at a wikipedia editing instruction event)

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