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So I think I have a basic grip on this conflict, the modern times at least, it's basically a back and fro attacks of Israel and Palestine military, about who the territory of Gaza Strip and West Bank.

But who the most legitimate claim to those lands? The region is called Palestine, and Israeli only settled there after the second world war after the land was "assigned" to them. So am I right to presume that Palestinians are the native people of this land, and the State of Israel is just trying to get rid of them?

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (12 children)

The more I look into this conflict, the more I go back and forth on my position lmao. Essentially, yes, you have it right. However, you’re trivializing the post WW2 mandate for Israel. The entire world was carved up post WW2, and I don’t think it’s correct to say that this particular mandate should be reneged. If you look at it objectively, there was a ton of land transfer post WW2, so you’ll have to argue why Israel in particular should be repossessed.

Practicality-wise, Israel is a fairly progressive country that upholds LGBT rights, religious freedom (mostly), has a democratic government, etc. Palestine on its own would be just like any other Arab state and would not be as pro-human rights.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don’t think that’s actually a fair comparison. Palestinians had nothing to do with the treatment of European Jews in WW2, and we gave them a claimed “holy land” from others? Let’s be honest for a second, Israel has the same claim as British Occupied Palestine, in that the peoples actually living there have no say over their land claims and are getting killed in their own homes and in the streets by occupiers. Palestinians deserve to have land and life.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It has nothing to do with Palestine’s role in the conflict. It has to do with postwar Britain’s unbelievable power to redraw boarders at a whim. While I don’t agree with the way they were drawn, I don’t think it’s morally correct to cherrypick which borders to redraw. Whether it’s fair or not, postwar Britain made choices that we all live with today. Unfortunately for Palestine, that meant that they were subject to the whim of a global superpower, which is why they lost their land and why Israel exists today.

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