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[–] [email protected] 36 points 6 months ago (18 children)

I got free of duolingo when I realized wasn't really learning anymore and just trying to keep my streak up

[–] [email protected] 27 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (15 children)

My kids were big into Duolingo, one learning Finnish and the other learning Japanese. So I didn't mind paying for extra stuff because, hey, it's educational.

But then I'd ask them to say something in Japanese, or what something says - we watch a lot of anime - and they wouldn't be able to. So I don't pay for it anymore because it's not actually educational.

Interestingly, I'm watching this great video as I type this which compares Duolingo to a casino, and I don't entirely disagree.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

Duolingo is just a tool, I think. You can't rely on it entirely to learn a language. And especially you have to take an active role in learning when using duolingo. I'm using it to learn Japanese, and I think I'm picking it up somewhat decently.

But what I do is that I don't look at the word banks when translating, and when there's a listening activity, I don't look at the text on the screen. I just try to follow entirely based on what I hear. I always say the Japanese out loud, and I try to form sentences in Japanese by forcing myself to think in Japanese (as opposed to thinking in English and then translating the words into Japanese). And, of course, use other resources to figure out the nuances of the grammar and the vocabulary!

I think if you view duolingo as a way to get more practice with the language, it's actually a fantastic resource. You just can't rely on it as an exclusive learning tool

Also, the Japanese that's spoken in anime isn't really colloquial Japanese or really even the same Japanese that duolingo covers. Heavily exaggerated example, but it's a bit like asking someone to translate Shakespeare when someone is learning English. There will be some words that they can pick up, so your children might be able to get the gist of what's being said, but the tone and wording isn't really the same.

Not to mention, Japanese is spoken really quickly. Iirc, it's one of, if not the, fastest languages spoken, when measured in syllables over time. You would find better success with asking your children to translate if you find a Japanese speaking online personality who is known to speak slowly and clearly. Hololive is actually pretty good on this front

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

I don't completely agree that anime Japanese is so different from real life Japanese. There is certainly some grammar used that, while correct Japanese, would very rarely be used in real speech. But for the most part, once you have a solid foundation of the language down, and anime or untranslated manga can become very good tools for learning. However, I would not use anime or manga for learning until you know enough to know what is out-of-place and should not be used in real life speech.

I feel as though using structured learning via textbook and—if possible—class (in person or online) is ideal until about early intermediate level. You can tell that there has been a lot of thought into what is taught when. After that, learning on your own becomes easy as you can easily identity what you don't know and what exactly you need to look up.

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