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Never seen a Camel walk through the eye of a Needle. (lemmy.ml)

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago (23 children)

God can save anyone.

Well yeah, but if you're a Christian you believe that it's literally God telling you that you can't be rich and go to heaven. God may make an exception, but it would be just as absurd for you to count on being an exception to this rule as it would be for you to count on being the exception to the rule that "none come to the father but through me". If you're rich, you're just as damned as if you were never Christian to begin with.

[+] [email protected] -6 points 7 months ago (19 children)

I am a Christian and I think your argument is weak. That Jesus talks of a rich person here is irrelevant, the core of Jesus teaching is that salvation is a gift freely given, but not something we can obtain in our own power.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 7 months ago (7 children)

That Jesus talks of a rich person here is irrelevant

It's really very relevant:

20 “All these I have kept,” the young man said. “What do I still lack?”

21 Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”

22 When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.

23 Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”

Matthew 19:20-24

The message here isn't about buying your way into heaven, it's about earthly attachments. In part it is about sacrificing your own desires, but ultimately it's about split loyalties. If you want to enter heaven, you cannot be burdened by avarice, by the desire for possessions. And if you truly seek to follow what Jesus is teaching, then you would give up everything to do it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I agree, but I think making it to sound like Jesus says rich people can’t be saved is a misinterpretation. It seems to me he says it’s hard for rich people to truly follow him and his teaching, and that only God can save people.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The problem is, if after hearing the teaching you are still rich then you haven't understood the teaching or really accepted the message - because you are still attached to your worldly possessions.

It's not that "rich people can't be saved"... it's that being rich and following Jesus are fundamentally incompatible. You can't be rich and "truly follow him", as you put it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

Precisely.

The easiest thought experiment here is asking "But how do you get rich?"

Well, it's certainly not by putting others first and being fair and equitable in all your dealings. That's against the "game" (oh sorry, "best practices") of business.

A ton of capitalist co-opting of Christianity makes all kinds of excuses for why a Godly person could work 1,000,000x harder than everyone else and be "blessed" with the burdens of wealth, but it's all propaganda.

Inheritance maybe? Okay, the question still becomes: What did you do with your resources?

Being honest with these questions makes the truth rather apparent, in my humble opinion.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

"Hard" as in "impossible". It's literally right there in the text. Have you seen a camel fit in the eye of a needle before?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Context is important. Literally the next couple verses in both passages say something along the lines of "The disciples asked, 'Then who can be saved?' Jesus said, 'With people it is impossible, but not with God; for all things are possible with God.' "