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I want to donate to a linux phone. I believe in linux and I want a linux phone. Maybe we can use one in very few years as a normal daily driver. It's getting closer and closer every month.

I want to donate that we get there sooner. But which project? I'm following postmarket but I'm not sure if they are the most promising. What's your stance on this? To which project would you give your money to accellerate it?

Edit: I don't want to buy a phone. I want to support the phone os devs. Sorry for the bad wording.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (5 children)

The benefits are there, some of ideas out of my head:

Better networking for administrator, access to /etc/hosts file, not being tied to a single VPN slot.

Using old mobile phone as a simple server, having access to firewall tools and normal remote control.

Installing simplier graphical interface for eldery people.

Lifetime updates for many system components that are not device specific.

Simple backups and cloning with standard tools like rsync or borgbackup instead of Google Drive. Also backing up whole system.

Everyone can add a feature, you can make a difference, no need to mess with Google's Android developing pipeline.

Making native apps for mobile and desktop at the same time, no need for bloated web-like abstraction layers.

Apps made in Python, C, Rust... No need to fit into Android SDK. And no forcing Android SDK and Android Studio!

Customizations of the interface look via CSS files (Phosh have it to some sort).

Someone give more ideas?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Yes, it's all true but the issue is you can already do a lot of those things with a lot of cheap hardware that is is simply easier to support than old phones. And when it comes to phones being phones Android is really good and has a lot of apps. I think the problem with Linux phones getting more popular is that the overlap between desktop/server and mobile is very small. I mean I use my phone only for phone things and a lot of things I do on my phone I can do only on my phone (e.g. charging an electric car is basically impossible without a Android/iPhone). Having a phone that can do some things desktop/server can do but can't do a lot of things a phone can do is pretty much pointless at this point.

When we'll get a proper Linux phone with full Android apps support and convergence it will be really awesome but I just don't think there's enough interest to get there at this point.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago (2 children)

The problem with Android is it is very invasive and in my opinion untrustworthy. How many of these Android OS's from various vendors are not kept up to date, with unpatched vulnerabilities because they dump support to force upgrade their customers to the next model, when your phone should still be functionally viable. How many apps in the Android ecosystem are just info vacuums? It's a very predatory ecosystem and i would prefer a libre solution to these scumbag predatory corporations. It blows my mind how people are so numb to the abuses of these companies, they won't even consider alternatives. Iphones aren't a viable alternative either unless you're into joining abusive cults. I have both a Pinephone and a Librem 5, and they work fine if you don't mind horrible battery life, i just wish we had more alternatives and I'll put my money towards that endeavor.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yes, Android has issues but what I'm saying is that so far Linux on phones really hasn't been able to compete. No one want's a phone with no camera, no GPS, no apps and terrible battery. Making Linux phones is just super difficult and sadly I don't see it happening anytime soon. Android is a good platform with lots of hardware and apps. You have Fairphone offering long tern support, f-droid offering privacy oriented apps and LineageOS offering stable OS. Getting more phoes to support it is a better bet than getting Linux to properly work on modern phones.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

This is a problem with the current industry, smartphones are conceptually no different than any other computer. It's Qualcomm not publishing proper documentation and tools, propietary bootloaders, drivers being baked as Android packages, no specification how main processor can talk to a modem...

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