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Sorry, there have been dozens of chances for Arabs to accept a peace deal. Again and again it was refused because it would allow Israel to exist. These nations are Arab. Some of them democratic. Overall aside from Egypt (and who knows where they actually stand now) the Arab nations around Israel have one goal that's been repeated by many protesters around the globe. "From the river to the sea" Arabs not only around Israel but around the world call for the total extermination of Israel and the Jewish people. I'm done with tankies batting for them because Israel is backed by the US. Israel has a right to exist. And it has a right to defend itself against Arab aggression.
Does Palestine have the right to defend itself against Isreali aggression?
Does someone assaulting you have the right to protect himself against your self defense?
Do you think the recent Hamas attack was the first aggression in a vacuum?
Both Hamas and the Isreali government have committed violence over the years, but you are framing it as Hamas taking the first step and ignoring the fact that Hamas came to power as retaliation against Isreali blockades and violent settlement of Palestine. Both are terrible and both are the aggressors or defending themselves depending on the time frame.
Isreal has the upper hand and is actively committing atrocities in response to an atrocity. Phrasing the current actions by Isreal that is causing a lot of collateral damage to civilians as defending themselves gives them a free pass to do whatever they want, and what a lot of Isreali leadership wants is to kill or drive out Palestians and take their land.