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Finland sacrificing its neutrality to try and join NATO was a phenomenally idiotic move.

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago (42 children)

The solution is to find a diplomatic solution that works for both sides. Anybody who can't get that through their skull is actively driving us towards extinction.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago (25 children)

But Putin isn't interested to find a diplomatic solution, he have his own plans. He will maybe interested in a diplomatic solution if he got more under pressure .But from the past he learned he can do what he want no buddy try stop him. So someone have show his limits like a little child have to learn it. How you can make politic with a guy you can't trust ? You need some security. Everybody want to find diplomatic solution but you say now to the Ukraines hey common what is wrong with you just find a diplomatic solution with super power there not interested in diplomatic solution and there just reaped and killed you wife and children. Now is time to show unity and strength and i hope Russia is than interested in a diplomatic solution. My way was i tried to inform people on Russia Social Networks that the west are not Nazi peoples. But was also very scary to see if you now playing video games like Insurgency what also a lot of Russia people, there using now west people as a insult.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (24 children)

This is a false statement. Putin has tried to find a diplomatic solution for over 8 years. The west refused to do diplomacy during this whole time. NATO has expanded for the past 30 years despite promises not to move east. NATO has continuously destroyed countries and continued to surround Russia. Countless western experts warned that this will ultimately lead to a conflict. Politics isn't about trust. It's about understanding your interests and the interests of others. It's about recognizing red lines, and creating conditions where conflict can be avoided.

Russia never threatened Ukraine until the west ran a coup there, and put in a regime there with ambitions to absorb it into NATO. Finland and Sweden have never been threatened by Russia, until they expressed ambitions to join NATO. It's as if NATO expansion has been the key destabilizing factor here all along as everyone who has a modicum of understanding of the subject has been saying.

The escalation created the current crisis and now you're claiming that the solution is more escalation. You're absolutely insane and people like you will be the end of us all.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

No, this is than a misunderstanding im just for do something and don't looking away like we did this the last years. But to be a democratic regime this decision was coming from the Ukraine folk otherwise there would like it to be a part of Russia again. Of course the NATO did mistakes the last years but this is still not acceptable what Russia/Putin is doing.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

NATO is currently fuelling the conflict and fighting Russia in a proxy war at great cost to Ukraine. This isn't something that happened in the past, NATO is playing a direct role in the atrocities today. Of course, this doesn't justify what Russia is doing, but it takes two to tango. My original point is that the west chose to escalate towards conflict instead of pursuing diplomacy. Now there is a war in Europe and millions of people are suffering. Yet, the west continues to fuel the fire bringing us to the brink of global annihilation.

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