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[–] logging_strict 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (8 children)

Viva la package dependencies!

Does it do away with setuptools? After my experience interacting with the maintainers, now refer to that package as, The Deep State

The Deep State only supports loading dependencies from pypi.org Which has many advantages right up until it doesn't.

This new standard contains dependency host url. Hope there is a package other than setuptools that supports it.

When bring it up, and prove it, the responses alternate between playing dumb and gaslighting. The truth is The Deep State are gate keepers. And they are in the way.

Training wheels off mode please! So there is support for requirements files that contain on which server dependencies are hosted with more than one choice. Would like the option to host packages locally or remotely using pypiserver or equivalent.

On the positive side, setuptool maintainers did not suggest voodoo dolls, try to wait out the planetary alignment, better economic conditions, or peace on Earth.

That's how the conversation comes off to my eyes. But form your own opinion. Especially enjoyable for folks who also enjoyed the TV series, The Office.

What are the alternatives to being stonewalled by setuptools?

Disclosure: Wrote requirements rendering package, wreck. I have my own voodoo dolls and plenty of pins

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Have you tried hatch?

I don't know why people are still bothering with setuptools for new projects.

[–] logging_strict 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

From the hatch docs, not seeing where it discusses publishing to alternative package warehouses.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

AFAIK setuptools and hatch are for building. Publishing is a different process. You can try uv for publishing, but idk if it supports publishing to alternatives to PyPI.

[–] logging_strict 1 points 2 weeks ago

setuptools is for enforcing a cartel, naively can simplify that to for building.

I hope uv completely replaces setuptools and build. Then the maintainers can move on to another racket.

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