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[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago (13 children)

"Why do they use the much more complicated system?" "Nobody actually knows."

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I'm not defending it, but it's because 12 has more factors than 10

10 has 2 and 5

But 12 has 2,3,4,6

So 1/2 ft, 1/3 ft, 1/4ft and 1/6 ft all have a whole number of inches

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Using a base12 system would only make sense if we all started counting in base12 too.

If enough people want that, i'd be down to start counting in base12, but i don't think many people will lol.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

if we all started counting in base12 too

You could start by calling it twelve instead of 12.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

To keep things as simple/intuitive as they are today, we'd need two new symbols to represent the additional numbers. 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,§,∆,10

Of course it would be confusing as all hell for anyone alive today.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

With hexadecimal we typically use a-f for the remaining numbers. We probably would use something like this for base 12:

012345679ab

Of course everyone knows the correct base to use is 2. Or as we call it, base 10.

Actually, come to think of it, it would always be 10 in the base that it is.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Yes, 10 can be any number if you change the base. Non-integer bases are weird, but a few (like base φ) see some use.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

But it doesn't use base 12. Take distance. Values smaller than 1/64" are measured using "thou", "tenths", and "millionths", which are decimal multiples of 1/1000', 1/10000", and 1/1000000" respectively.

Values between 1/64" and 1" are measured using dyadic rationals, i.e. base-2 fractions.

Above 1" it's mostly base 12,except for the yard.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

So all imperial measurements are factors of 12 apart?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

So 1/2 ft, 1/3 ft, 1/4ft and 1/6 ft all have a whole number of inches

The same is true if you start with 300 mm instead of 1 foot.

Though dozenal numbers with a corresponding dozenal metric system would be very convenient, if you ignore the enormous cost of switching.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wait now, why would this matter? Decimal doesn't need full factors?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It makes it easier to divvy up into groups: halves, thirds, quarters, sixths (vs. just halves and fifths). Makes doing math easier in the head (fewer digits, checking for divisibility are the big ones).

Some info (warning: they are trying to convince you it is better than decimal, so you are not going to get a balanced argument there): https://dozenal.org/drupal/sites_bck/default/files/DSA-DozenalFAQs_0.pdf

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Also, on the practical level, I have a specific mark to go to for 1/4". 1/4cm involves me guestimating the middle between two mm marks and just deciding that that's middle enough. Small errors like this can actually add up really fast in something like woodworking

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Okay, so why inches divided into 8ths?

And why are there 16 cups in a gallon, 15-and-some tablespoons in a cup and 3 teaspoons in a tablespoon?
Better make it 12 tablespoons in a cup and 12 cups in a gallon, then!

And why are there 14 pounds in a stone and 16 ounce in a pound?

The imperial system does not use dozenal.
It uses a clusterfuck of bases because it's actually a clusterfuck of measuring systems in a really big trenchcoat

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