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LoglineA distress call from Lt. Noonien-Singh compels Spock to disobey orders and take the USS Enterprise and its crew into disputed space, risking renewed hostilities with the Klingons in a bid to aid their shipmate.

Written by Henry Alonso Myers & Akiva Goldsman

Directed by Chris Fisher


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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Overall, a pretty good episode! I am slightly conflicted - I really like the character development of this Spock, but it's also less and less feeling like the Spock we'll eventually see in TOS. As the Klingon captain said, 'the least Vulcan like Vulcan ever' - whereas Spock in TOS is trying to suppress his human side and it takes him till like Star Trek VI to actually act on a hunch. But I am also conflicted as I really like this character too.

The stealing the Enterprise scene, I think Search for Spock is laughing... The CGI of the Enterprise manuvering away from space dock and escaping to warp was amazing though - one of the best uses of 3D space in Star Trek ever but pausing for like 5 minutes whilst stealing a ship to decide what his 'line' is going to be... I wish the new series would stop their pre-ocupation with this, it's kind of famous because Picard uses Engage and Make It So enough to be memeable, but most of the time people from Kirk to Janeway to Sisko also use Engage. (Kirk also frequently uses warp speed Mr sulu, and ahead warp factor 1, take her out, first star to the left and straight on till morning.) And so every captain doesn't have their thing. Pike's 'hit it' is ok, but 'Let's Fly' is kinda dumb and 'I want to go, now' is out of character and just a really unnecessary part of the story. It's also not going to be memeable when it's forced.

I really didn't like the scene where M'Benga and Chapel use some kind of drug to give them super strength to fight off a whole ship of Klingons and then the torture scene? Star Trek should be cleverer than that and made me lose respect for both of the characters. At least the Klingons look like Klingons again.

I like the new chief engineer a lot more than I thought I was going too though!

Star Trek has always been kind of lax when officers disobeying orders save the day, but I thought the admiral should have been angrier and I really hope there's a scene in episode 2 where Pike and Spock talk about it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah the scene for nurse chapel and M'benga felt out of place for star trek.

I think it could have been interesting exploring war trauma from the kilingon war, I just don't really see how violence and vengeance is the best way to do that.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I think the play is that they're going to spend an episode or two setting up either withdrawal symptoms, or more likely, a resumption of the guilt he felt after the war (casualties he caused as a result of using the super soldier serum. Perhaps he even created/isolated it in the first place and is disheartened by the violence it enables?).

I don't think this episode was meant to explore the trauma, but 'teasing' future plotlines about M'Benga's culpability and/or guilt over the stuff. Remember, Chapel reminds him that he hates it and wonders why he keeps some on him, and he responds that while he does hate it , it might come in handy someday.

I think that serum is what gets him demoted. He and/or Chapel are certainly going to use it again in a situation where he can't just omit it from the after-action report. And if it's S31, then he definitely will get in trouble for holding some.

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