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“That son of a bitch, Bibi Netanyahu, he’s a bad guy,” said Biden privately, according to Woodward. “He’s a bad fucking guy!”

Reads like a bloody Onion article.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (14 children)

Maybe stop sending them billions in weapons then, eh?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

More lies to make the rubes think he is against the genocide. He has done this many times before and its always utterly meaningless.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (48 children)

It’s so simple, even a random person on the internet with no knowledge of how any of it actually works has figured it all out!

Yeah! Just… break a decades-long agreement. There no nuance to this at all! No complications…

amirite?

There can’t possibly be any penalties or repercussions for that! I mean. A random internet citizen said to do it- so……

Easy peezy!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (15 children)

Israel is going to impose "penalties" on the US? Are you high?

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

It is.

It was easy enough for Reagan, Bush Sr, Bush Jr, and Obama.

It is easy enough to do again.

Seriously, do you have no idea about recent history?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Since you are a person "with knowledge of how any of it works", please share with the class what those penalties and repercussions are. Educate us poor ignorant "random Internet citizens".

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

I don’t have knowledge of how it works. And that is why you don’t seem me injecting my bullshit take on how to resolve it. I don’t claim to know how easy it is to just…. Stop.

I do however listen to the experts when they say that it’s incredibly complicated and detailed situation that goes back decades and involves two countries that have had a conflict since 1948 officially, and predates even that. And that it’s not so simple to just…. Stop.

See?

That’s how an understanding of NUANCE works. You start by learning that you don’t know everthing, and finish with the understanding that not everthing is as black and white as you’d like it to be- that there will always be others that know more about it than you do, and that you should listen to them.

And no, I’m not one of them. I’m simply advocating that you seek them out and listen to what they say. Because I guarantee you, they’re going to school you on what you thought you knew about how to navigate geopolitical diplomacy.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Your argument is silly. There are laws on the book that empower the State Department to block arms transfers to Israel. The only way this can be undone is if Congress repealed the laws, which is hardly likely.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

So, what you’re saying is that it’s….

Complicated?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (11 children)

I think part of why you're getting downvoted to hell is because your initial comment reads like "I don't have the answers (none of us do), but I know yours is wrong. I'm not contributing any facts to show why you're wrong, but because I feel strongly that you are, I've decided to be insulting about it."

I get it, world politics is complicated. Absolutely no action on a world stage is without unexpected consequences. But that in itself is not an argument for arming an ethnostate we know to be killing civilians at an alarming rate. And the unexpected consequences would have to be damned severe to outweigh the known consequences of our current actions: if we keep providing weapons to Israel, those weapons will be used to kill women and children in droves.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Israel doesn't get to threaten the world with our weapons. That's why we have laws about this specific thing.

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