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[5e] Best utility caster after wizard? (kbin.social)
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My absolute favorite thing to do in 5e is when I can find a niche spell that's perfect for a situation the party finds itself in.

This naturally draws itself to the prepared casters and especially the deep spell list and ritual casting of the wizard, but unfortunately wizard is also a generally good class which means there's usually someone looking to use it in a party, and while doubling up can be fun sometimes I like to have other options.

I'd like to ideally make something strong without any glaring weaknesses: I don't want to minmax utility off a cliff.

My front runner has been an arcana cleric, which enables Wish eventually and adds a handful of common wizard spells to its list, but I'm not sure the other features of arcana are all that great, and not getting heavy armor makes me a little leery of closing to melee for cleric staples like Spirit Guardians.

Any other cool setups that enable a lot of flexibility and utility?

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[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I'd probably say Bard is overall the best utility caster besides Wizard, as the Bard's Arcane Secrets gives you a limited spell selection from any class, starting at 10th level. A little late, but getting ANY 2 spells you want is pretty nice.

A pact of the tome genie warlock might be worth looking into. You get 3 cantrips more than normal, from any spell list you want. The Marid subtype gets lots of control spells added to their spell list, you get ritual casting, the Genie vessel can be a handy base or safe space for the party, and at higher levels you get limited wish and wish.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That's definitely some powerful utility, you basically get to cherrypick the best stuff from the entire game.

But it's more "Bard does a few (granted, quite a few) things amazingly well" versus a wizard or druid getting to do anything on their spell list.

That being said, between this and your comment about scrolls I think I at least have to spec out a Creation bard and see how well it would approximate what I'm trying to do.

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