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[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 day ago (35 children)

Was that the original title? Because that's not a revolver.

Edit: Ah the latter part is the subtitle, and it does say "revolver." Good job, "journalist."

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 day ago (21 children)

In this case it is an important distinction. A revolver, if not cocked, requires a strong pull of the trigger to engage that double action system. A cocked revolver's hammer is just itching to go off, which in this situation is very bad.

The photo shows what I believe is a Glock 17 pistol. The Glock does not have manual safety mechanism, which means that if there is a round in the chamber, that gun is ready to shoot. Although the Glock has a single action system that requires a full pull of the trigger before it shoots, it is a relatively soft pull (I own two), especially when compared to a double action revolver.

The photo shows the officer exercising trigger discipline by keeping his finger off the trigger, but that is where the discipline ends. You NEVER point a gun at something you are not willing to kill. Killing a prone, restrained, unarmed man is murder, plus the ricochet off the ground would likely hit another cop on that dog pile. That stupid son of a removed would have killed at least one person and spent the rest of his life in prison. Absolute gross negligence.

If I was his commander, I would restrict him to desk duty for at least a year (effectively blocking him from overtime pay) and force him to take and pass a third-party weapons safety program before he's allowed to carry a weapon again.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

The Glock does not have manual safety mechanism, which means that if there is a round in the chamber, that gun is ready to shoot.

How the fuck is this legal? Seems like requiring a manual safety mechanism on all firearms is a no-brainer.

Any of the folks who place more value in their ability to end another person's life on a split second than the safety of their own children want to chime in and explain this one to me?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It doesn't have a switch or button you have to manually toggle. There are safety devices that automatically disable by pulling the trigger or holding the grip, these are more common on pistols.

Glocks in particular are incredibly safe when it comes to accidental discharge. They physically can't fire without the trigger being pulled.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 21 hours ago

My favorite pistol is a Para Ordinance Tac Four LDA. The LDA acts in a very similar manner to Glock's once a round is chambered (hammer cocked). The Light Double Action still requires a full pull to discharge but it has a similar trigger tension to a Glock rather than a traditional double action. The reason this weapon is my favorite is because in addition to the accidental discharge safety feature it also has a full grip safety which requires you ti actually palm the weapon, and a manual thumb safety. There is absolutely no way to argue accidental shooting with that weapon. Even if you chamber a round, cock the LDA, palm the pistol, disengage the manual safety, your finger was on the trigger and it somehow twitched, the LDA's travel and tension is such that the weapon would still not discharge.

Does it require extra training to get the safety on/off motion to be muscle memory? Yes. Does the weapon have a slower "rounds per second" than a Glock? A little bit. Do I feel more comfortable with it in my hand than a Glock? Absolutely. I wish Glock had an model that integrated all of the features that used to be in the Paras.

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