this post was submitted on 22 Aug 2024
585 points (97.9% liked)
Science Memes
11047 readers
3151 users here now
Welcome to c/science_memes @ Mander.xyz!
A place for majestic STEMLORD peacocking, as well as memes about the realities of working in a lab.
Rules
- Don't throw mud. Behave like an intellectual and remember the human.
- Keep it rooted (on topic).
- No spam.
- Infographics welcome, get schooled.
This is a science community. We use the Dawkins definition of meme.
Research Committee
Other Mander Communities
Science and Research
Biology and Life Sciences
- [email protected]
- [email protected]
- [email protected]
- [email protected]
- [email protected]
- [email protected]
- [email protected]
- [email protected]
- [email protected]
- [email protected]
- [email protected]
- [email protected]
- [email protected]
- [email protected]
- [email protected]
- [email protected]
- [email protected]
- [email protected]
- [email protected]
- [email protected]
- [email protected]
- [email protected]
- [email protected]
- [email protected]
- !reptiles and [email protected]
Physical Sciences
- [email protected]
- [email protected]
- [email protected]
- [email protected]
- [email protected]
- [email protected]
- [email protected]
- [email protected]
- [email protected]
Humanities and Social Sciences
Practical and Applied Sciences
- !exercise-and [email protected]
- [email protected]
- !self [email protected]
- [email protected]
- [email protected]
- [email protected]
Memes
Miscellaneous
founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
Here's the thing. You said a "dolphin is a whale."
Is it in the same family? Yes. No one's arguing that.
As someone who is a scientist who studies whales, I am telling you, specifically, in science, no one calls dolphins whales. If you want to be "specific" like you said, then you shouldn't either. They're not the same thing.
If you're saying "whale family" you're referring to the taxonomic grouping of Cetacea, which includes things from porpoises to belugas to orcas.
So your reasoning for calling a dolphin a whale is because random people "call the big ones whales?" Let's get whale sharks and great whites in there, then, too.
Also, calling someone a human or an ape? It's not one or the other, that's not how taxonomy works. They're both. A dolphin is a dolphin and a member of the whale family. But that's not what you said. You said a dolphin is a whale, which is not true unless you're okay with calling all members of the whale family whales, which means you'd call vaquitas, bottlenose, and other marine mammals whales, too. Which you said you don't.
It's okay to just admit you're wrong, you know?
So reading up on the evolution of whales for arguments sake has me realising all dolphins and whales are (as mentioned) from the same family.
Your traditional whale fits into "Baleen Whales (Mysticeti)" which have "soft, hair like structures on the upper mouth" and there are 16 species and 3 families.
Meanwhile there are also "Toothed Whales (Odontceti)" with 76 species and 10 families. They are smaller, actively hunt and almost always live in pods.
The most surprising thing I've learned is that the Baleen Whales typically have two blow holes...??? Also they do not echolocate but they do sing/chat.
So almost all your traditional large whales fit into the Baleen category and the traditional dolphin fits into the Toothed category. So there are key differences between them, but the overall family is whale.
This is a dumb argument huh