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[–] [email protected] 29 points 4 months ago (18 children)

It's pretty hard to learn another language as an American unless you're able to travel to a place where that is used. I wasn't even allowed to take a foreign language class when I was in high school because I scored too poorly on English in grade school (from not doing homework, not because of aptitude). I haven't really had a need for it in my adult life either other than like 3 times where I had Spanish speaking customers when I worked at in retail and we still managed to overcome the language barrier.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 4 months ago (6 children)

I don't get the downvotes here. Learning a language is not easy without immersion. Yes you can bang through literature and even multiple courses... but without frequent use our brains simply lose the connection. Neurons that fire together wire together. This goes doubly for speech.

Many Americans (most?) are taught a second language in school but the lack of places to use it sees this education go to waste. The US is a large country with pockets of ethnic groups throughout - but as far as immersion with another language goes... it is sorely lacking.

It's unfortunate but a reality.

[–] cheddar 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

It's a lot about motivation. I'm sure many people have tried to learn a language, maybe on Duolingo or somewhere else. But as the initial excitement wears off, they give up. And that's normal, that's how most of us are built. You can't beat brain chemistry with sweet arguments that "it's good to know another language." There needs to be a strong incentive from the outside, like school when the second language is mandatory, or life in another country with no access to a community that speaks your language. With the internet, that's nearly impossible nowadays. There are a lot of expats who never assimilate in countries like Germany because in places like Berlin English will do. So I totally understand people from the US, who have limited access to other languages and cultures, plus whenever they go people speak English.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The internet argument goes both ways however: you can never leave your house and be able to interact with people from virtually anywhere, as well as consume content in any language.

[–] cheddar 1 points 4 months ago

I don't think it does. Yes, you can use it both ways. However, my point was that if there's no strong outside motivation pushing you towards learning the language, it's challenging to force yourself to do so. Furthermore, one must reach the level where they can interact with native speakers first. At the beginning, your vocabulary is limited, you don't know grammar rules, slang is not typically available in a dictionary. The initial desire to learn a language often wanes before reaching that level, as it's difficult for most people due to our brains' focus on short-term survival and benefits.

I live in a post-Soviet country with a large Russian-speaking community. Most Russians I know who eventually learned the official language of my country did so under specific circumstances: they attended a kindergarten without Russian children, were enlisted in the army, found employment where they couldn't use Russian or English, etc. Conversely, those who do not speak the official language typically never faced a pressing need to do so. The notion of "it would be good to learn X" is usually insufficient to motivate us to work hard for years to become proficient in another language.

Of course, there are exceptions, but they do not represent the norm.

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