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[–] [email protected] 37 points 5 months ago (43 children)

There should be zero delivery trucks clogging city streets. Zero.

Good luck with that. And the bike-riding population will do all their shopping far outside the city, where shops still survive? A cargo bike is nice for personal shopping, for deliviering letters or small packets, but you won't be able to fill the shelves of a supermarket this way. And whoever thinks about using freight trams for this, sit down and actually think this idea through for a change.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago (14 children)

If I had a dime for every time somebody made this reply, I’d have a lot of dimes.

Nobody has ever said that. What people are saying is that the private automobile is the worst way to move masses of people in cities. They command ungodly amounts of space, make everything more expensive thereby, and aren’t even good at moving masses of people.

You want to increase the capacity of your road? You can:

  • spend millions adding lanes and possibly destroying houses
  • turn a lane into a dedicated bus lane
  • turn a lane into a bike lane
  • hell, pedestrian areas have higher people capacities than car lanes
[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (12 children)

Yes, you are right. You are talking of moving people inside cities. I am talking about a) getting in and out of the city and b) moving goods into and out of cities. None of the usual demands in this group ever even starts to address this.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yes, of course delivery trucks need access to cities, some goods are not practical to move by cargo bike. As do emergency services and buses. Nobody disagrees with this. The problem in many cities is that streets are clogged with useless private cars. So the obvious solution is to ban private cars.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Just because you have no need for a car, private cars are not necessarily useless.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Private cars in general are not useless, but private cars in the center of cities should be useless if the city is designed well. The space-transportation trade off does not make sense.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

...if the city is designed well. You got the problem of the next city right on.

But even if I was living in a well-designed city, I would still use a private car, as moving handicapped people (like my wife) around on public transport is quite a nightmare. Yes, we have tried.

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