The potential.
Free open source software running on a decentralising protocol. We can own or join our own little corner. We can make our own platforms. We can be free of ads and profit margins.
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Hear hear! Great promise indeed!
I have seen some people carry their karma whoring ways over from reddit. It's been a few people posting the same anti-reddit article to 17 different communities. But, I just blocked them and moved on, I love how I can defederate from users or communities that are filled with low quality karma grabs.
are you sure it is not just people who are jazzed up on being anti reddit and showing it?
That's why i don't understand why people just want to make everything reddit 2. A lot of things on reddit are relicts from a cringe time, or some things that clearly didn't work. And still, people don't move on, now there is a time to not call everything porn. Foodporn earthporn, it's so dumb, but people insist. The marijuana subreddit is called trees, so every month someone can make a post about an actual tree and everyone can laugh at this very funny joke.
Yeah, I just wanna look at some butt pics but all I can find are images of lasagna ;--;
Agreed. Reddit has loads of problems sand bad motivations. But I think people are trying to turn lemmy into reddit 2.0 because they lost the actual reddit. Sure, many people wanted less nose and higher quality... But that's probably not true for most people that signed up over the last month+. They just wanted a reddit alternative.
I expect that much of the reddit obsession will dissipate as those users settle in and forget about reddit.
I want things to be like reddit but perfect. ok?
Exactly. Me too 🙂
I'd be happy with 4chan.lite
Mass exodus from Reddit is because of API, not because the marijuana subreddit is called trees. You think the number of users skyrocketed the day API closed because people were mad about foodporn? No.
What? No, he's saying they're bringing reddit behaviors with them as they leave reddit, and he hopes they'll stop.
Okay, fair enough. Although, honestly, I'm struggling to figure something out and maybe you know.
If Lemmy users all hated Reddit and Reddit users so much, why did they all go there and try to convince everyone from Reddit to come to Lemmy when the API debacle happened?
It's just a case of different opinions, I think. Or perhaps they think reddit having 100's of millions of users is creating the problems, and that they won't exist here if those same voices came to Lemmy. But I would mostly just say it's two different groups of people asking for two different things.
I'm in the boat that Lemmy has fully replaced reddit for me and I don't feel the need to go convincing more people to jump ship. The people who cared about the health of Reddit as a platform have already come to Lemmy, the people who don't, or need the massive userbase to use a website? They can stay there.
That's maybe LITERALLY what they said, but I think they meant "there were a lot of things reddit got wrong that we don't have to do here."
Personally, the API change was just the thing that made me realize reddit's quality has been in bad shape for a long time. I hadn't realized some of the seemingly minor changes in the content that irked me had all combined to make Reddit kind of a shitty place to be. Once the major thing happened, I actually felt relieved that I could stop going there because things weren't ever going to get better.
I really miss rediquette being enforced, not by just the moderators and admins, but by the community. People (in general) would politely call out bad behavior, have civil discourse, and put forth their best answers as a cultural aspect of Reddit. Of course, that wasn't universal, but it was the predominant behavior.
The low effort karmawhoring, click and rage bait, overused jokes, and childish content (for me) have lately become the core cultural components of Reddit instead of the outliers.
Anyway, that's just my opinion and an explanation of why I (and I believe others) are here now. Let reddit be reddit, and let's make something cool here that draws from the positive components of Reddit and discourages the some of the less enjoyable things about it.
Calling weed trees has been around for longer than reddit…
I think what you have observed is short-lived. I am starting to notice a lot of poor reddit etiquette showing up more and more here.
One of my huge pet peeves is multiple people posting the exact same link to the exact same article into the exact same community over the span of several hours. I'm not sure if they are doing it for the attention, if they are narcissists and assume that because they just discovered it that no one else might have posted it first, or if they are just too damned self-centered to quickly check the latest couple dozen posts to make sure they aren't posting a dupe.
Unfortunately, I observed the same behavior late last. night. I saw the same article posted in five different communities from the same person. I thought we had something better going here. I hope the few who are exhibiting this behavior can get it under control and leave that mentality behind.
I fully expect mass posting like that will be the norm on Lemmy, even more than it was on Reddit. Now instead of a handful of subreddits that cover similar context, there are also a handful of communities on here with literally the exact same name. As annoying as it is to see a bunch of duplicate posts in my feed, I can't say I blame users for doing that when communities are often fragmented here.
I really think despite that we don't have overall karma, people still get off on getting highly rated posts. I mostly lurked on Reddit, but would occasionally post something and I can't deny that I enjoyed seeing the post get a lot of upvotes. But here on Lemmy, I became a mod of a couple communities and I post a lot and I've noticed I don't even pay attention to the scores at all. I think one reason is since I post a lot more, I don't pay attention, and also the scores don't generally get as high, due to the smaller userbase. But I agree, people need to get out of that mentality of trying to get the highest rated post scores. It really makes it much more enjoyable to get involved in discussions, IMO.
gosh it isn't "narcissist" to not "check the latest couple dozen posts". I guess you are a person who sits all day and all night at a computer ya?
Especially with the weird sorting on the fediverse you could miss it even if you read 25 posts. But do I read >24 posts every time I post 1? No.
If the URL is identical the software should let the user know when posting. It happened to me on reddit before. it would let you post it but you had to confirm. Usually I'd just kill it at that point.
gosh it isn’t “narcissist” to not “check the latest couple dozen posts
"I just discovered this thing, and since it's new to me I immediately conclude that no one else has seen it either because the horizon of my reality extends no farther than the diameter of my own head"...is absolutely narcissist.
The opposite of narcissism is considering that other people exist, and that other people might have found it and posted it first, and to assume they have until you do some minimum amount of diligence to find out. That minimum amount of diligence is just checking for recent posts on the same topic - it's not rocket science - it's just having the basic minimum amount of social-awareness to consider there are other people in that community who may have already posted it.
I think it's a combination of all of the reasons you stated AND the sorting algorithm not being the same as some of us are used to on Reddit.
I'm still getting used to finding content I haven't seen when I'm not toggled to "Subscribed".
A way to mark something as "read" and not have it show back up for me unless I've posted in it would be handy, but as with all new paradigms, I'll get used to this one eventually and likely wonder how I ever did things the "old way".
I was posting something that just contained the same word as another post in that community and I got a popup letting me know. I don't know if that's a setting the mods turn on. Hang on, I mod the community I'm talking about and I didn't do it, so no.. I'm using lemmy.world on PC with no apps, if that makes a difference.
I understand what you mean, but I followed mostly selfhosting, emulation and handheld subreddits, I barely ever browsed r/all to begin with, and I still feel my feed wasn't full of karma whores.
When I truly believe Lemmy content has more quality so far compared with Reddit it still miss lots of topics that interest me.
Can relate. Bring em here then! Nobody keeps you from making your favorite sub on lemmy! Brave new world! :)
@Haui I generally agree with that sentiment, but r/emulation in particular had a great mod team that culled out the ton of low efforf posts like "I downloaded a Pokémon ROMs how do I make it work" and "some emulator just released a new version, here's my 'video showcase' that barely mentions the emulator in question. Don't forget to like and subscribe!" and so on.
Can absolutely relate. Hit them up and ask them to move over or ask if you can make a mirror here and if they wanna help you. It’s kind of hard to not make that work honestly.
Making the sub is easy, it’s getting people to use it that’s hard.
I mean, I guess it can be hard but you can always ask for help. Having no experience and not asking is saying something as well. :)
Posting stuff one genuinely cares about happens on reddit too in niche communities.
(looks at dwayne the rock johnson 3d prints in r/3dprinting)
(looks at posts that suggest that someone bought an entire games collection for cheap on r/nds)
I can still vouch for r/daria to not be full of karmawhoring and i'm raising a Daria community here too.
Karma is still able to be calculated manually on Lemmy by totaling all posts - I feel it is inevitable that a popular app adds this feature and we're back to gamification.
Removal of global karma is my favorite thing about Lemmy as well. People on Reddit were so performative, posting things they didn't care about or stifling unpopular opinions in order to get magic points.
Voyager already do that. You can even see your own total karma here: https://m.lemmy.world/posts/lemmy.world/u/[email protected]
Once, I saw an article I thought reddit might like, I checked no-one had posted it, but then when I did it said some-one had done (that very second, by some-one who posted frequently, but not from that source). The article was hours old, so I wondered if some of the karma-stealing was automated to favour certain users. Probably just a coincidence, but it's nice to get out of 'but what about my karma mindset?'
(For any worried readers, fear not - I posted a comment in the guy's post which got about half the karma the post did, so all wasn't lost)
con lo sencilla que es la vida pero fijate como nos la complicamos
with how simple life is but see how we complicate it
Establishing a count system for user profile will provide more competitive ~~fake and shitty~~ racing posts and comments. Better without it here, thus more real and humane discussions.
That's why i don't understand why people just want to make everything reddit 2. A lot of things on reddit are relicts from a cringe time, or some things that clearly didn't work. And still, people don't move on, now there is a time to not call everything porn. Foodporn earthporn, it's so dumb, but people insist. The marijuana subreddit is called trees, so every month someone can make a post about an actual tree and everyone can laugh at this very funny joke.
