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Let's face it, the dems don't care about the commoners, the republicans are actually pure evil, everyone was happy when that shitstain CEO got shot.

Maybe we should build on this momentum we have to drive actual change at the political level.

my first act as president in 2029 would be to issue a full and unconditional pardon of the billionaire killer.

edit:

well alrighty then, followup question, does anyone want to join my newly formed political party? I'm going to start working on drafting our mission statement, or manifesto or whatever it should be called.

Further Edit: I set up a lemmy community for us to post shit about it. If you want to join, that's our official, unofficial space. https://lemmy.world/c/newpoliticalparty

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

We should not. This idea of starting a new party to do something has been exhaustively understood for a long time. All it is capable of doing is hurting the major party your new party is closest to. Best explained here.

It is exciting to create something new you have total control over, and that excitement can help you get off the ground and feel like you’re going somewhere, but this is an illusion, an eventually that momentum slams into a wall as you realize you’ve only shifted de facto political reality in the United States in the opposite direction you wanted to (again: because all third parties can do is steal votes from their most closely aligned major party).

Bernie Sanders has had this figured out for a long time. He shits on the rich morning and night. He’s also a grownup and knows that his only viable course is to try to shift one of the major parties themselves. He thinks he has better odds with the Democrats, and he’s probably right, though maybe “less bad odds” is a better characterization.

Entering into a major party is not fun and exciting and you don’t have a lot of control and quick momentum. But it is the only way. Small progress, long game. A flash in the pan 3rd party will only burn you.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

Should you? Why shouldnt you?

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

It exist already. Join PSL

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (16 children)

i would, but they appear to be tankies who support the NK government and the CCP. I'm very against those failed worker states.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago

Pumpkin spice latte?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

Third parties don’t work. Support progressives and progressives only in the Democratic Party. The Working Families Party is a fantastic party as well.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah sure, so they can rig their primaries again.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Again, that is why we need to push for the DNC chair to be a progressive.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Heard this for 30+ years and watched the Dems just go further right. Don't think it works bud.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah, creating a third party seems a lot easier and more effective than taking over an existing party like the tea party did.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

fuck the democratic party. they've failed us, it's time to bury the corpse.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

It would be more effective to focus on supporting a progressive candidate for the DNC chair. The prospect of establishing a viable third party is extremely challenging, given the existence of nearly 20 “progressive” third parties that have struggled to gain traction. As someone who served as the chair for the Ohio Green Party, and was a platform builder for an already defunct progressive party, I have firsthand experience with the obstacles such efforts face. I’ve learned from my mistakes. The Progressive Caucus, Justice Democrats, Working Families Party, and more are great organizations to organize with. AIPAC out-funded progressives, but now people know that AIPAC is the reason the Democratic Party is terrible, and now volunteer and donation signups for progressive orgs have raised.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I think it would be easier to convince a few people to take out more CEOs than it would be to convince all the progressives in America that the DNC is worth investing more energy in.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago

Unfortunately, it is the only choice we have, that or violent revolution.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Don't see why shitting on rich cunts needs to be political, they are a problem and they should get what they fucking deserve Joker style, simple as that.

But if we're making new parties anyway, one of the primary mandates should absolutely be about completely and utterly ruining the lives of anyone that makes an unnecessary amount of money or hurts others for personal gain.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago

we've been shit on too long by the ruling class, it's time we shat back.

We need to dismantle the economic policies which were set when reagan took power. bring back the 75% tax on the wealthiest, tax the shit out of big corpos, tax the shit on inheritance taxes when it's over a certain threshold, end for-profit healthcare and hearth insurance. And undo whatever the hell don the con is going to do when he takes office.

If you want to join, please go to the community https://lemmy.world/c/newpoliticalparty, we need to get the ball rolling so we don't lose this momentum

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

They seem good, but as a disabled person who can’t work, the name is icky.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Work is more then just wage labour. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Well when politicians constantly use work and labour as a way to shore up support, it very quickly forgets and leaves behind those who can’t.

“working people deserve a living wage” (does that imply non-working people don’t?)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

This is a "black lives matter" messaging situation. Just because working people deserve a living wage doesn't mean other people don't.

It's annoying that this isn't obvious. But I agree that it's not.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Not really. There isn’t a systemic problem where the lives of black people are valued more than others. The systemic problem is that black people’s lives are valued less than others.

There is a systemic problem where the lives of people unable to work through no fault of their own are valued less than those who can work.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Everyone can work in some way

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

That is completely untrue and shows you don’t really understand the complexity of disability.

I literally cannot.

I’m able to spend about 30mins-1hr total per day on my phone doing simple tasks. And that’s because I’ve improved, most of my illness course I’ve been unable to use my phone of communicate in any way at all.

I’m completely bedridden and unable to speak, deaf, unable to tolerate much sound or light, tubefed and slowly dying.

I cannot work.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Since you seem interested, start one. Don't ask someone to do it for you, or for their approval. Do what you truly believe, not what others support.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Right now we don't have a left wing party in the US. We have a right wing party, and a right wing fascist party. As much as members of the fascist party love to shit on the Democrats for being leftists, most of them aren't actually leftist.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago

The fascist party calls the dems liberals, as if it describes someone who's left of center. In the rest of the world, liberal describes someone who is right wing. It seems like the rest of the world knows better on that one.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Wouldn't it be better to join a party that already has shitting on the rich as part of its mission? I mean the two big parties don't have that, but some of the small ones do AFAIK.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

that's the thing, i can't think of any. the communist party of america is very much just full of tankies circle jerking about how ccp and north korea actually good, the green party is all about spoiling the dems and never actually do anything, the libertarians are fundamentally opposed to my political views. the only political party i can think of would be the bull moose party, but afaik they went extinct after teddy roosevelt.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago

AFAIK the Greens exclusively run for president because if they get 5% of the popular vote they can get federal funding. Whether that's a good idea overall I have no idea, but there's at least logic to their strategy.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago

sons of bitches. I wanted that name.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago

I'm part of the forward party if you wanna check it out.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago

doesnt have to be just one, have many. doesnt even have to be tons of people, just 2 trying to actively do things is something.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Since the democratic party has become arguably centered instead of left, its natural that a new left leaning party should become mainstream

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago

Lol good luck buddy.

Maybe move to Vermont and join the Vermont Progressive Party (or any already existing political party) instead.

Theres not really a "shitting on the rich" movement, like there no real socialist movement in the US that has enough support. The best you can hope for is Social Democracy / Progressivism. And thats probably gonna remain local within a city or state, but never gonna make it into the national level.

The other option is: Join the Democrats and try to teardown the status quo from the inside.

Basically try to get a bunch of supporters to infiltrate the Democratic party like how the magats took over the republican party.

Get your supporters to elect progressives into the democratic national committee. Hijack the party platform. Implement progressive agenda.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

If you do. I think it’s a great idea.

But don’t fall into the “green party” loophole of just sabotaging neo-liberal democrats and helping literal facists get elected.

Start local. Run for seats you can win. Priosritise states with open primary systems.

We need a grassroots movement.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Right now is actually the perfect time to create a third party. You have effectively two years to get people excited about an actual progressive party and if the DNC come knocking saying you're going to split the vote, tell them that they are splitting the vote and they should fold into you.

I'm fucking tired of the Democrats learning the wrong lessons from lost elections. They'd rather lose than give up power.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Y'all need an actual left of center, worker based party to undo this late stage capitalist nightmare that's happening now

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago

you're god damned right.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

First order: Greed Crimes

Any white collar crime done for the sole benefit of enriching one or siphoning money away from citizens or workers.

Regulatory capture, pyramid schemes, political bribery, hidden tax havens, environmental distruction, writing bills like citizens united, cutting social services, forming monopolies, competition buyouts, blatant conflicts of interest, etc.

We have hate crimes, when something is done out of hatred for a people it is given the harshest penalty because it hurts an entire group.

The thing is, greed crimes ruin the lives of thousands and millions, possibly everyone, and in my opinion should be capital offenses.

We need an investigative oversight committee that stop all functions of a person or company while looking into accusations. If found guilty, a company is dismantled, an individual is executed, their will is ignored and all assets are liquidated and used to remedy the situation that was created.

If found not guilty, you're closely monitored by the greed crime committee for an agreed period. If you are accused of three sepparate greed crimes and different times, even if found not guilty, you should be considered a bad faith potential, and exiled or removed from any position of power.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago

That's something Vietnam got right, sentence the corrupt billionaires to death. their greed destroys lives and kills countless people, yet we do nothing to fight back. screw that. It's time to fight back now.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Need to fix the broken FPTP voting system first. Otherwise any left leaning political party will just take votes away from the dems and hand the election to the republicans.

And Republicans know this by the way, any left leaning fringe party will get financial donations from the Republican Party,

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago

Good luck, it will go nowhere

Until the wonner-takes-all system is changed you will always only have Democrats and Republicans

Of course all that depends on if there will be a democracy left after 4 years...

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago

Depose party

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago

I don't think we're going to gain any traction until we override Citizens United and make bribing public officials illegal again. That would allow us to take back the legislative process and begin passing bills that the super rich are not going to like.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

We need electoral reform that implements a system where more than two parties becomes viable. Imagine splitting left-leaning voters even more than they are now. It’s guaranteed wins for Republicans.

First Past the Post must be done away with and there should instead be a coalition of voters that refuse to support ANY candidate that doesn’t make it their primary campaign policy. Once that’s done, smaller parties will organically be created and incorporated into the system.

Support organizations listed here, specifically FairVote.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago

Third parties don't and can't work. The system is rigged for that. Better to start an anti-ceo PAC.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago

Yes because the Dems are basically suckups to the rich, just less fascist.

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