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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 minutes ago

Toxicity is a big word. What about small long term effects?

Lithium is prohibited in eu outside of psychiatric therapy, too. But it might be an essential nutrient (small doses).

My trust into the official narrative is limited.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 hours ago

I believe the objection to fluoride is that it is a tranquilizer that keeps us from achieving glory through violent uprising... or sweet sweet dentist profits.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

This is a conspiracy by fluoridians.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Thats what the fluoridiots say.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 hours ago

fluorida man strikes again

[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah but I read an article on a bullshit website. I think some no name website knows more than a toxicologist

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Why is some dumb scientist expert trying to tell me, a person who pays for an internet connection, what the truth is?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 hours ago

Because something something shill money.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Back when I was in college, people didn't like fluoride because it calcifies the pinneal gland. I assume that rhetoric has only been further exaggerated over the years

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Another point that conspiracy bros will bring up is that fluoride is a toxic byproduct of aluminum manufacture and dumping it into the water supply is a cheap way for Alcoa to dispose of it benevolently.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Honestly it really is sad, we have so many more uses for it

Every atom of fluoride going into our water is another atom that can’t go into chlorine trifluoride production. Putting it into the water is a huge sacrifice we make for the health of society.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

Weird. The only argument I heard, and successfully made it to policy in my area is that it costs tax money and takes away choice. All thus smart stuff is for those damn yankees.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

It does do this. However so does ageing, low sunlight exposure, low altitude, ethnicity, sex, nutrition, neuro-divergence, cell phone use, EM fields... you get the idea.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Don't forget the gravitational pull of Betelgeuse. In a very, very small way, that also effects calcification of the pineal gland.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

(Don't give them ideas...)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Does fluoride-enhanced water actually do this, though? Or just pure fluoride? Yes, pure fluoride has an effect, but I always thought the miniscule amount in our water is not enough to actually make a difference to the natural calcification of our pineal gland, anyways.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago

From what I have read studies do not show it, however it is believed it does happen because, when the data in those studies is extrapolated for 60+ years, it shows that it should contribute to it, at least

So, yeah, seems too, but it really isn't a factor worth worrying about

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Agreed but can we turn down the chloramine valve? It tastes awful.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago

Why not just get a water filter?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 hours ago (3 children)

Great post... but where is the meme?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

Welcome to Science Memes, where the science isn't memes and the memes aren't about science.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 hours ago

The meme is now this is not US policy.

Its like stating the world is not flat... when in fact NASA's official stance is that the world is, indeed, flat.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Without Fluoride all the humour in the world dies.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

The people who need to hear this sadly would not believe that too much water can kill you even if you showed them someone die from it, I fear. I'd also be shocked if they read "water poisoning" and didn't think of poisoned water.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I didn’t know this was a thing when I was younger, but not young enough to not be classified as a moron.

Drank about 7-8 litres of water in 3 hours without going to the bathroom as a contest against a work colleague. Suffice to say I started feeling a little off on the way home, even after going to the bathroom. Years later I finally learned you can drown yourself from drinking too much and the symptoms were eerily close to what I experienced that night.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 hours ago

Oh don't get me wrong! I also only learned about water toxicity when I was very much an adult.

But the difference between us and the type of person I'm talking about, is that we (I'm presuming on your part) don't think fluoride in water is a bad thing.

The kind of person who hears "the government adds CHEMICAL_NAME to water" and assumes that's a bad thing is the kind of person who will not believe drinking too much water can kill you, even (or especially) if they are told by an expert.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

How much oatmeal would I have to eat to die of fluoride poisoning?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

0.08mg per half cup serving, but may vary depending on water used. https://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/Fluoride-HealthProfessional/

10mg is the accepted daily upper limit for an adult. So 62.5 cups of oatmeal to reach that max safe limit. https://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/Fluoride-Consumer/

Acute poisoning symptoms may appear as low as 10-15 mg/kg, lethal dose might be 32-64 mg/kg. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluoride_toxicity

So 200 to 400 cups of oatmeal per kg you weigh for a lethal dose. (32/0.08/2=200, 64/0.08/2=400)

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 hours ago

That's a lot of oatmeal.

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