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A 24-hour general strike in Greece on Wednesday shut down transport, schools, and government offices as workers protested high living costs.

Unions are demanding a 10% pay raise and the return of holiday bonuses cut during Greece’s financial crisis.

They accuse Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis of not doing enough to tackle inflation, despite recent minimum wage increases.

Hospitals operated on emergency staff, while protests and marches were planned.

Many say wages have not kept up with the rising costs of energy, food, and rent.

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[–] [email protected] 142 points 2 days ago (14 children)

The one tool Americans refuse to use.

Apparently we haven't been fucked enough yet. I'm honestly curious how low we will go. I suspect there is no bottom and Americans are just flesh bags trained to seek out meat grinders.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago

Union leaders don't want to risk their position and union by breaking the law. American law highly restricts when a strike can happen. The punishment for companies is generally a fine or a do over for things like a ballot. Punishment for a Union is often the dissolution of the Union.

Basically we need to completely rebuild the ideology around unions. Right now if a union were to strike illegally, get dissolved, stay on strike, and then prevent scabs from entering; they would be beaten, arrested, and ridiculed by fellow workers. We won't ever see a large strike in the US until workers remember that they are the de facto source of wealth and start acting like it.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Well, based on the recent election results, I suspect there's literally no limit to how low Americans will go.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Badwater Basin? Lower.

Lake Assal? Lower.

Dead Sea? Lower.

The canyon under the Denman Glacier? Lower.

Challenger Deep? Lower.

TO THE DEPTHS OF HELL‽

Lower.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Bonus Panel: do the rising sea levels from anthropogenic climate change give us a bit of an advantage?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (3 children)

American billionaires want self driving cars specifically because they can't strike.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

self driving cars specifically because they can't strike.

Unless it's pedestrians, the backs of trucks, road signs, irregular barriers, animals....

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

No, but they can burn...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

But the people who build and maintain the roads can.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

unless you're talking about tow truck drivers it will take a while for maintenance problems to catch up with the strike. This is, in my mind, why billionaires hate trains the most.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 days ago (9 children)

The first problem is the polarisation. If people that are perceived to be Democrats call out a general strike, 50 percent won’t participate. Vice versa if perceived GOP does this. The polarisation and politicisation of every topic is what stops you from organising effectively.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

Ha, like either of them would ever do that

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's not a both-sides thing. The right hates the left for identitarian reasons. We are the "other" and must always be hated. If the left takes a position, the right will oppose it, even if they supported it first. The left hates the right for their ideological reasons that would be largely irrelevant if the right actually called a general strike.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Sorry I did not mean to both-side it. I am well aware that a union push will never come from the GOP. The main point was that because everything has become politicized there are no independent voices that can call for a national strike. If you want to dive deeper into why all is politicised you obviously come back to the conservative sphere (FOX, etc), so this is definitely not a both sides are bad argument.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

This is also very evident in the reactions to the election. Trump and the GOP were all screaming and hollering about election fraud right up until it looked like they wound win. Then crickets. Everyone is in only when their own team is winning.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Vice versa if perceived GOP does this.

That logic really falls apparent when you consider that GOP is the one pushing unions out.

You make it sound like both parties have a strategy to help the workers… no… only one does.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Part of one at best. Certainly not its leadership.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 days ago (8 children)

Refuse? This was called by unions. In the US, that kind of union activity is illegal. What system do you think we can use in the US to call for a general strike that enough people would 1) be aware of the strike 2) agree with the need for a strike and 3) be able to participate without harming their livelihoods? Cause in Greece, the answer for all three was unions. Here in the states... I don't know if anything is setup for that. Even reaching enough people to begin with would be tough.

Like, be rightly angry at the laws in the US that make this nigh impossible, maybe raise awareness, but don't blame the damn victims.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Do you think the strikes that got us workers rights in the first place were legal at their time?

They were attacked by the oligarchy, sometimes with dozens of people killed.

You dont get anything done against an oligarchy if you play by their rules.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

People forget that strikes are a civil option to the alternative.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

We don't refuse I think it's just too hard to coordinate.

I'll take any day off work. I'm looking for excuses!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago

It’s not like people need to even get into the streets. Everyone just coordinate to call in sick one day. Just one day to show yourselves the power you have, then go from there.

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[–] [email protected] 163 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

That's so much smarter than voting for far right shitstains to 'protest'. Would love to see this all over Europe instead of the rise of fascism.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Unfortunately a one-day strike is not a problem for the system which is why they usually don't lead to anything. Do an indefinite one and then see.

[–] [email protected] 65 points 2 days ago (1 children)

A one-day is a warning that the people are organized. It's a shot across the bow.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I've seen way too many one-days in Greece to get excited...

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (5 children)

Cost of housing seem to be the primary issue plaguing the world. Even in china the real estate market is fucked.. but they have too much in locations people are not.

It's almost as if a lot of societal rules (that are mostly needed) create an unfree Market causing shortages.. and governments refusing to acknowledge that they should be organising it and not leaving it to "the market" are the cause of the issue.

Organizing means organizing, not building all houses themselves.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 2 days ago (9 children)

Europe is facing population decline. Houses should get cheaper, not more expensive, and the fact that prices keep rising means that they are artificially inflated.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 2 days ago (2 children)

the second anyone was allowed to use houses as an "investment" to gain wealth we basically guaranteed this. obviously anyone with a lot of money tied up in housees is going to try and make their value go up. once we got multinational billion dollar conglomerates involved it became child's play for them to make that number go up through infinite methods of varrying complexity carried out by thousands of people working together with billions of dollars behind them.

this problem is inherent to a housing market that people are allowed to speculate on. we just need to make that stop entirely. limit house ownership. no one needs 100 houses. especially not companies. if that results in less rental houses than desired, we need to build more apartments. apartments are different beast, but if the cost of houses are lower then it will be harder to inflate rent if they can afford a house instead. this may result in some people who want to rent a house, but not an apartment, unable to find that. that's not a big problem. they might just need to rent an apartment instead. certainly it's much less of a problem then the current state of no one being able to afford housing.

the rich don't need this vector for growing their wealth. they have enough others and are doing quite alright at it. the world will function just fine without mult billion dollar corporations investing in buying properties for the sole reason that they think they can extract wealth without contributing anything. houses should be for living in, not for extracting wealth.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Alas, it's not trivial to move houses from deserted villages into booming cities. Plenty of European cities already have anti-speculation and rent controls in place, it's not really helping.

Quickest and cheapest option would be to expand public transport actually, I think, spread out the pressure, combined with more remote work. Once you've got a steady, if overall tiny, de-urbanisation trickle going on urban prices are going to tank.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Government really should be building housing themselves though and working on the zoning laws to make building easier. Even in a free market the government should be a competitor driving prices down to fair levels.

Measures like rent control don't work because landlords are greedy. People end up staying in locations that don't fit them anymore for the rent control, landlords try to chase those tenants away and don't improve the property, new housing stops being developed and supply/demand get wrecked.

Measures like stimulus and tax rebates for first time buyers tends to increase the cost of real estate as well. It's called a demand subsidy and generally isn't a great way to tackle a supply problem. The individual home buyers will be helped at the expense of tax payer money and real estate cost - and the types of homes being bought aren't necessarily the best use of land either depending.

Restricting companies from bulk purchasing and holding real estate seems like a good idea but again when you remove that new housing, especially multi-tenant housing, stops being built. Supply goes down prices shoot up...unless of course the government is willing to personally finance and build out the supply and keep prices fair.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 days ago

Love to see it!

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