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If only there was some recent example of a western country doing something stupid like this that isolates its self from a major chunk of its agricultural workforce, and really screwing over its fresh food supply… (Politely clears throat in post-brexit British)
We don't even have to look at another country.... Alabama tried this already...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/oct/14/alabama-immigration-law-workers
I understand why Democrats are falling back on arguments like this in the face of open facism, but it's fitting that this week is the the 86th anniversary of the kristallnacht pogrom. Somebody tell Hitler and Goebbels not to dehumanize and attack all those jews, because it would be, like, totally bad for the economy or something.
The point of Trump's rhetoric against immigrants is to dehumanize them and scapegoat them for all of the US's problems. We do the same here in Sweden, when our politicans say we're being "naiive", and we call immigrants disloyal to Sweden, welfare frausters, and terrorists. We accuse their culture of being anti-democratic, sexist, and promoting child abuse. We scapegoat them for our crime issues, antisemitism issues, and impoverished neighborhoods.
Just the first step in dehumanizing an entire 1M+ group of people.
Even when the prices go up and it all goes to shit, it'll still be the immigrants' fault.
This isn't "falling back," anyone who knows how agriculture works in the southwest US has been saying this for years. We have an absurdly huge military, we could secure our southern border at any time. But it's a fucking stupid idea in terms of cheap labor and relations with Mexico, and it would also mean republicans can't cry about the border anytime democrats are doing well in DC.
The reason the economic argument is the most prominent is because the economy was also the number one reason people voted for Herr Apfelsine.
Honestly I hope it happens.
Americans need to learn the very, very hard way that choices matter and you really need to pay attention before you cast your vote.
I have never been an accelerationist but have a feeling it may be our only path forward from here on.
Note- not a plan, will see how things go. Not terribly hopefully atm though.
Well it's a concept of a plan.
I'm not for millions of immigrants suffering just to teach conservatives a lesson.
Yeah, but the choice has already been made, sadly. It would be worse for conservatives to make the choice and be somehow rewarded.
"It's the liberal Democrat policies in California that have cause the woke food shortage." -Donald Trump after mass deportations "Makes sense." -average American voter.
That’s the whole point right? This isn’t about right or wrong. This is about disrupting and fucking up the economy as much as possible.
Why?
It’s to encourage societal collapse. It’s what the billionaires want for us.
They forget the protections society offers them.
Yeah because historically: powerful individuals always face justice when the state falls. /Sarcasm
They can live anywhere, when the usa collapses, they all just leave to go fuck up somewhere else.
That was my first thought when they talked about "mass deportations of illegals". Many areas of the American economy simply rely on cheap labour extracted from those refugees. They work on farms, in production, on construction sites, in logistics, and many other jobs Americans would not touch with a ten foot pole. Having to pay for food harvested only by vetted American Citizens will be a harsh lesson for all those idiots who voted Trump into office because they thought he would make food magically cheaper.
Wait, the president doesn't wake up and decide the price of bread every morning??
Woah, what are you going to tell me next, they also dont set inflation?
It's super depressing that in this post-empathy economy we care more about the crops than the people who pick them.
The mass deportations will require internment camps to hold people until their trial is processed.
And what do you think will be done with the people in those camps? They'll put them to work! Except even cheaper than the starvation wages they were getting before, because it'll be pennies on the dollar like our other slave workforce of prisoners.
Welcome to America. Work sets you free.
Buy beans folks, canned or dried bulk. Stock up on some frozen fruit if possible too.
If the farms are hiring people illegally to keep prices low then maybe it's good for that to come to an end. It sucks things will cost more but not paying a living wage and taking advantage of immigrants isn't ok.
Deporting people is also not what I want though so idk
These people should indeed be paid a livable wage, but that's only half the problem. If they're gone nobody will take their place. This is backbreaking work that your average American for good reason simply won't be willing to do.
Installing HVAC ducts in blistering hot attics is backbreaking work but people can be found to do that.
I wonder what those people get paid, and whether they have access to bathroom breaks, clean drinking water on the job, and a decent place to sleep at night?
Alabama tried this already and no one would come do the work, so it's not going to have people flocking to pick up these jobs.
Maybe if they increased the wages or improved the working conditions, people would come do the work after all?
Just spitballing, here….
They did, people do not want to work outside doing hard labor for what it should cost. The cost for your food is relatively cheap, because of cheap labor. This idea that farmers are rolling in money is a nice myth, but it's not true, the majority are living year to year trying to survive.
How do they know what it should cost?
Good. Fuck the idiot racists that voted against their own interests.
Uh... This is California.
Didn't cali vote to keep ~~slavery~~, sorry, prison labour?
California is suprisingly conservative outside of the cities. If you look at any election map, its usually red towards the farms and rural areas. It's just there's so many people in cities that it doesnt really matter on state level
Instead of deporting illegals, why not make getting a citizenship eaiser? Or hell, a work visa??
Don't worry, there is always prison slaves. Merica!
So those farmers admit breaking the laws constantly, in an organised way and on large scale?
They are a mafia, aren't they?