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[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

You'll find a lot of arguments for believing such things if you look for them. Some of these arguments are simply angry rants (and they appeal to angry people who aren't inclined to think analytically) but others are quite sophisticated. Have I refuted all the sophisticated ones I've come across? No, that would take a lot of effort, and maybe some of them are even technically true. I'm not convinced by them primarily because I have certain assumptions about the world: conspiracy theories are generally not true, most people just want to live a good life, kindness is usually reciprocated, and so forth. Someone who holds the opposite set of assumptions (every organization is corrupt, many people are inherently evil, kindness leads to being exploited, etc.) won't be convinced by your "knowledge against it" without even hearing you out in the same way that I'm not convinced by the arguments for it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

"so much knowledge against it"? We live in a n overwhelming ocean of information, what seems obvious to many people may be completely unheard of in other areas, we're not all getting our information from the same sources. Or some people have become indoctrinated by other groups and have become basically inoculated against "wokeism". Plato's allegory of the cave is just as relevant today as it was in his time (if not more so). There are people spending their whole lives looking at shadow puppets dancing on the wall, thinking that that's reality. Who knows, maybe it's us, but the point is, even though we're awash in information, ignorance is alive and well.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

As someone who's had several long debates with a neonazi on discord, it usually boils down to them saying "Goldbloom controls you, all your arguments are therefore nullified"

Their aptitude for dismissing information is amazing

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Which is why we don't debate them, and avoid giving them a public platform!

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Some people have problems in their life and it is convenient to believe they are do to an outgroup. You mention knowledge against it but these people live their lives and insert their instilled prejudices to explain the flaws, making them have (fake) first hand proof of their beliefs.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Ok while I may agree. But my father taught me when I was younger that a black woman has no place in this world so you will have to work extra harder to overcome hate and other things....my question is was he right? I say this as a now 41 year old.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

a black woman has no place in this world...

Wrong on this half, in that the factors of your birth & immutable traits or public opinion of those can't prevent you from have a place here regardless of any opinions.

...you will have to work extra harder to overcome hate and other things...

You would know the answer from you past 41 yrs better than I would.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Incel = involuntary celibate

You become one by not being able to find a life partner or even a one night stand. Not something I'd really blame the individual for.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

A lot of it comes from experiences they've had.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (5 children)

For incels there really is no other community for them. Hell, even if you are liberal there are not many mens spaces for you.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Bigotry has never been about ignorance. It has always been about manufacturing social division through propaganda.

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