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[–] [email protected] 201 points 7 months ago (63 children)

Someone please convince me why I should hate systemd because I still don't understand why all the hate exists.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 7 months ago (3 children)

People don’t like it because it’s declarative. It felt cool to be able to just put bash files into certain directories to have them executed on startup. That was elegant, in the sense of “everything’s a file”.

systemd is more of an api than a framework, so it’s a different design paradigm.

I hated systemd until I printed out the docs, for some coffee, and sat in a comfy chair to read them front to back. Then I loved it.

Mostly I hated it because I didn’t know how to do things with it.

Also, “journalctl” is kind of an ugly command. But really, who gives a fuck. It’s a well-designed system.

And if a person absolutely must execute their own arbitrary code they can just declare a command to execute their script file as the startup operation on a unit.

[–] pkill 3 points 7 months ago

Good that you've enjoyed it. But a fundamentally wrong thing about systemd is that it is actively harming the best thing about Linux – freedom. Some programs won't work on a non-systemd distro because how tightly coupled and vendor non-agnostic anything that becomes dependent on might become at times. Of course it's not as bad as glib(loat)c, but still if something can be done without any degradation of functionality via standard POSIX facilities, WHY either incur additional maintenance overhead for non-systemd implementations or punish people for their computing choices if there's no one to maintain it?

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