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Hawaii rules against public carrying of guns without permit citing ‘aloha spirit’
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Because gun laws have worked in other places. Canada, Australia, The UK, etc don't have this problem.
One of the best things the govt here in aus did in my lifetime, was tighten gun laws and buy back as many guns as they could. While we're by no means free of gun violence and homicides, we very rarely have incidents like mass/school shootings.
I would be cautious of attributing the falling rates of firearms related crimes to the 1996 buyback [source]. It can be argued that the rates were already dropping prior to the 1996 buyback. This can also be further shown in other countries around the world that didn't enact such laws. For example, all of western Europe has shown declines in homocide rates since the 90s [source]:
This matches up with Australia [source]:
And, it matches up with the UK [source]:
The same goes for the USA, and Canada.
For the sake of clarity, here is a list of all the mass shootings that have happened in Australia -- from that list, I count 24 since the firearms buyback in the wake of the Tasmania mass shooting.
Actually, comparing violent gun crimes in the US and Australia reveals significant differences in homicide rates, mass shootings, and overall gun violence.
Homicide Rates
Mass Shootings
Overall Gun Violence
Gun Control Measures
In summary, the US has higher rates of homicide and overall gun violence compared to Australia. These differences are influenced by stricter gun control laws in Australia and the higher prevalence of firearms in the US.
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And the US has roughly 13x the population of Aus, so you would expect the US to only have 312 mass shootings in the same time frame, but the actual number is massively bigger than that.
Also it's extremely disingenuous to try passing off a decrease in overall homicide rates as a relevant argument against un control. Especially when you're not even considering the actual relevant statistics.
The majority of guns crimes in Canada are committed with guns that were smuggled in from tithe US, where it is (relatively speaking) trivially easy to obtain guns.
America's lax attitude towards weapons directly leads to Canada's gun death problem.
The CBSA should be handling that, though; it's the CBSA's job to catch people engaging in illegal border activties, e.g. firearms smuggling (I am assuming that you are insinuating that it is the USA's job to fix our problem).
They do catch a lot, but no border control in any non-authoritarian country can catch 100%
Based on what metric are you making that claim? Canada, for example, certainly still has an issue with firearm related crimes [source]. It is also quite arguable that firearms laws even have an effect on reducing crime in general [source] (I will concede that this source, the fraser institute, isn't the most reliable, but their data does show some interesting things that cannot be ignored). Furthermore, it has been reported that the majority of handgun related crime, in Canada, is done with handguns that were illegally owned -- they were smuggled in from the USA.
One could point to some trends of firearms rates decreasing and attributing them to firearms bans, but the devil is often in the details. For example, this study by Rand stated that firearms related crimes in Australia were already on a downward trend piror to the 1996 buyback, and similar dips in violent crime can be seen many other western countries that didn't adopt such strict gun-control measures -- violent crime, in general, appears that it has been on a downward trend for quite some time.
Are you really trying to make a comparison without actually comparing the numbers?
Comparing gun crimes in the US and Canada reveals significant differences in homicide rates, violent crimes, and robbery incidents involving firearms.
Homicide Rates
Violent Crimes
Robbery
Additional Insights
Firearms per 100 Residents: The US has a much higher number of guns per 100 residents (88.8) compared to Canada (30.8), which correlates with higher rates of gun-related crimes[1].
Gun Origin: A significant portion of guns used in crimes in Ontario, Canada, were traced back to the United States, indicating cross-border implications of US gun policies on Canadian gun crime[2].
In summary, the US has higher rates of homicide, violent crimes, and robberies involving firearms compared to Canada. These differences are influenced by stricter gun control laws in Canada and the higher prevalence of firearms in the US.
Citations: [1] Canada vs United States: Crime > Violent crime Facts and Stats https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Canada/United-States/Crime/Violent-crime [2] In fighting gun crime, Canada has an American problem https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/in-fighting-gun-crime-canada-has-an-american-problem-1.6004198 [3] Statistics Canada – Catalogue no. 85-002-XPE Vol. 21 no. 11 https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/85-002-x/85-002-x2001011-eng.pdf [4] reuters.com https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/fighting-gun-crime-canada-has-an-american-problem-2022-07-27/ [5] Firearms, Accidental Deaths, Suicides and Violent Crime: An Updated Review of the Literature with Special Reference to the Canadian Situation https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/csj-sjc/jsp-sjp/wd98_4-dt98_4/p57.html [6] Canada and United States homicide rate 2022 | Statista https://www.statista.com/statistics/526539/canada-us-homicide-rate/ [7] Archived Content https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/011218/dq011218b-eng.htm [8] Charting gun violence in the United States | CBC News https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/gun-violence-charts-us-1.6847911 [9] America doesn’t have more crime than other rich countries. It just has more guns. https://www.vox.com/2015/8/27/9217163/america-guns-europe-homicide-rates-murder-crime [10] NCJRS Virtual Library https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/canadas-low-gun-homicide-rate-proves-effectiveness-gun-control-gun [11] Number of robberies in the U.S. by weapon 2022 | Statista https://www.statista.com/statistics/251914/number-of-robberies-in-the-us-by-weapon/ [12] How the U.S. gun violence death rate compares with the rest of the world https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2023/10/31/1209683893/how-the-u-s-gun-violence-death-rate-compares-with-the-rest-of-the-world [13] Gun Violence in Canada - Connecticut General Assembly https://www.cga.ct.gov/PS94/rpt/olr/htm/94-R-0882.htm [14] Canada vs United States: Crime Facts and Stats https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Canada/United-States/Crime
If that dude could read, he would be so angry right now.