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[–] [email protected] 65 points 1 day ago (4 children)

If only there was a highly efficient mode of transporting people that didn’t use tires. Ah well, nothing can be done I guess.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

My city's metro system uses rubber tyres, :(

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

I imagine it's still orders of magnitudes better than everyone driving their own car in.

Same with busses. Don't let perfect be the enemy of the good

[–] [email protected] 21 points 23 hours ago

Yes, imagine if there was a fast and safe way of transport. Something like made to run on steel bars in order to reduce friction. I don't know. I'm just imagining, I watch too much science fiction.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (3 children)

To be fair, the most efficient mode of transportation is cycling by far. I wonder if bike tires also contribute to this.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

I'm sure they do but it will be way less.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (3 children)

The wear rate should be proportional to the weight of the system (car plus cargo and passsengers, bike plus cargo and riders), maybe with some correction factors for things that affect wear rate like knobbiness.

Since bikes weigh a couple orders of magnitude less on average, the amount of tire wear material should also be a couple orders of magnitude less.

Edit: other lemmyer said wear is proportional to weight to the 4th power and that may be correct. I vaguely recall that from school now that they mentioned it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

should be proportional to the weight of the system

It's that really true? Wear to the roads is proportional to the fourth power of axle weight so I would never have predicted a linear relationship.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago

Exponential relationships are still proportional.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 hours ago

Doesn't speed/acceleration affect it? If that is the case, that's another pro for bikes.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 16 hours ago

Assuming the material properties and physical design of the two tire types is identical, maybe

[–] [email protected] 20 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

Bikes cause thousands of times less damage to streets so I wouldn’t be surprised if they also wear less.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 23 hours ago

Good point! Also much less weight.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 23 hours ago

And the size of bike tires is way less than a car tire.