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Summary

President-elect Donald Trump and his incoming administration are debating the extent of potential U.S. military action against Mexican drug cartels.

Options discussed include targeted airstrikes, cyberattacks, covert operations, and “soft invasions” using special forces. Trump has warned Mexico to curb fentanyl trafficking or face military intervention.

His key appointees, such as Secretary of State Marco Rubio and Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, support some form of military action, framing cartels as terrorist threats.

Critics fear this could escalate tensions with Mexico and spark significant international controversy.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 day ago (5 children)

What's USA's record against insurgents? I know Trump went to the Taliban to make a deal after more than 2 decades fighting them.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 hours ago

It's a bit more complicated than most people realize. They know about Vietnam (loss), Iraq (win), and Afghanistan (loss). But there's also;

More recently -

  • The Philippines (win),
  • Lebanon (draw, objective achieved, but no decisive victory)
  • Somalia (draw, transition government was not deposed, no decisive victory),

And through the years -

  • The Indian Wars 1776-1923 (win, massive war crimes),
  • US-Algiers (loss, impetus for creating the Navy),
  • The Barbary Wars (win),
  • Taiping Rebellion (Win),
  • Kansas mini Civil War (1854, goes into actual Civil War, Abolitionist win)
  • Second Opium war (win)
  • Utah Secession (win),
  • Mexican Civil War (win),
  • Cortina War (win),
  • Formosa Expedition (loss),
  • Garza War (win),
  • Las Cuevas War (win),
  • Boxer Rebellion (win),
  • Mexican Border War (win),
  • Banana Wars 1912-1934 (win)
  • Philippines Rebellion (win, but they do resurface for a modern conflict)

You can see why we were a tad over confident going into Vietnam and even afterwards we thought we just needed to make some adjustments to our tactics.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

He'll hand over the Mexican government to the Zetas in exchange for some empty promises.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

You joke but this proposal would effectively be a declaration of war on heavily armed criminals who already run parts of the country. There's every possibility he destabilizes the place enough that surrendering Mexico City to the Zetas is how it ends.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 day ago (1 children)

We just elected an attempted insurgent!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 hours ago

Idk, seems to me like a successful insurgent. Maybe not an immediate result but, with no real punishment, and getting in anyway, he def got away with it, and rewarded for doing it to boot. If there are future (non sham) elections, the message is loud and clear, this I'd acceptable behavior.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago (3 children)

If he tries to cut a deal with them it'll probably include Texas annexation 😬

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 day ago

I wholly support Texas going elsewhere and shutting the fuck up.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago

Mexico can have Texas back. We should send them a Thank You card for doing so.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

I'd be down, love their president and all she's for.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Not remotely comparable. Different fighters with different experiences and motivations. Fighting next door vs. halfway around the planet changes logistics, uh, a teeny bit. Different US government and soldier motivations.

We've never done anything like this, no way to tell what will happen.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Bro..

We didn't win at the Alamo.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 hours ago

We won at a hell of lot more times and places though. In fact the Alamo stands out partially because we were generally winning on the border region all the way through Mexico's 1920 conflict.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

And the United States wasn't the world's sole superpower. That's like saying Republicans defeated slavery. True, but things have changed just a bit.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 hours ago

The US still isn't the world's sole super power... I mean, does China not exist today?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

The good guys (the ones opposing slavery) won.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 21 hours ago

That is true, yes.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Well, except for all the other times we invaded countries in Latin America.

And except for that time we invaded Mexico all the way down to Mexico City.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 13 hours ago

"Invaded" with both hands tied behind our back.

And my reply was to a post about failing in Afghanistan. So, uh, everything I said still stands.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

Well there was that one time, about 212 years ago, and ya’ll had a terrible time about it.