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I still think these effects come from the vaccine, not the virus.
It would be interesting to see data showing if unvaccinated people got long covid symptoms. But since society decided to try and force vaccinations on everyone, I think it's going to be hard to see such data.
Vaccines*
There was more than one, but none of them were unusual in composition.
Long COVID is the permanent health proplems which people can suffer after recovering from COVID. It was noticed in people who survived infection even before any of the vaccines were developed.
So how the fuck can it be caused by the vaccine?! Not to mention studies show that being vaccinated REDUCES the severity of COVID, in terms of both temporary and permanent effects!
People who aren't vaccinated get hit HARDER by long COVID, not spared the condition entirely. The immune system reacts to the disease and vaccine in exactly the same way. Surviving COVID unvaccinated doesn't somehow mean your body beats the disease off "more properly".
It means the opposite, the disease gets more time to do more damage against a less prepared immune system.
Even the "Pfizer admits myocarditis side effect" thing that made the rounds on social media last year, was a known side effect that someone tried to make seem like it had been kept secret or covered up, and only "officially" admitted to last year. In reality it has been on the list of potential side effects since 2021. It's extremely rare, and suffering actual COVID has a far greater chance of causing the same complication.
Long Covid has existed for longer than the vaccines have.
i can't believe it's 2024 and we're still having to put up with antivaxxer bullshit
I think it actually got worse unfortunately... The long COVID IQ drop only made them double down and get louder.
There is data and it's not hidden. See https://www.bmj.com/content/380/bmj.p491.
First paragraph of the article
I'm sorry but reading one paragraph requires minimal effort. You can not realistically expect that.
You're ignoring data so hard you didn't even read the article you're here commenting on lmao
You are the fuckin problem
What do you think of the various studies showing that vaccination reduces the risk of long COVID?
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/17/health/long-covid-vaccines.html
(Archive without paywall: https://archive.ph/20240718022942/https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/17/health/long-covid-vaccines.html)
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/vaccination-dramatically-lowers-long-covid-risk/
And the one in the BMJ from 2023 that someone else linked.
There's also an increasing scientific understanding of what causes long COVID (and again this article mentions how vaccination reduces the risk):
https://theconversation.com/long-covid-puzzle-pieces-are-falling-into-place-the-picture-is-unsettling-233759
Nothing. They won't look at it. Or they'll choose to not believe it.
Seems you were right. Their curiosity for data evaporated as soon as people gave them all the data they needed.
Well of course they do. It's not data that reinforces their mistaken beliefs!
They also think doing actual research causes long covid. Not worth the risk
Antivaxxers start of with a deep seated distrust of the medical and science establishment. Actual research is impossible if you have an implicit distrust of the authors.
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Looks like you haven't done a lot of research. That's okay! There are many, many recorded cases of long COVID that existed long before the first vaccine was even available. Like between March 2020 and March 2021. If that changes your thought.
Feeling crazy optimistic today, eh? Spoiler - it won't change it.
Optimism is my coping strategy this year! Everything is gonna be okay!
I agree. Everything is going to be okay!
Do you think it's going to be hard to see the data because you won't look at it?
Read the article?
Why?
To some extent, its physiological. There is a physical pleasure that comes from "believing" things even when we don't have evidence for them. "Believing" in things creates a dopamine cycle. Even further, some people are psychologically pre-disposed.
Look at how cults and relgions function: secret knowledge, in-group/ out-group selection, 'leaders' who protect or are connected to some "other", it goes on and on.
We're monkeys who are hard-wired to find patterns, which even if wrong, could be useful. We tell ourselves stories that are "convincing" to believe in these patterns. Our brains give us a pleasurable "bump" when we find one, even if its objectively wrong or easily dismissed by evidence. It takes substantial time and discipline to untrain yourself from this, and humans get extreme discomfort from "not knowing" things. We hate that. We'd rather a wrong knowing than confidence in our "not knowing". And its not just that we don't like not knowing; its physically painful. And then there are some of us that are more subject to these forces than others, and because of how self-selection works in online communities, these tendencies are allowed to exacerbate.
We're really starting on the back-foot when it comes to the "truth" as humans.
Oooh, I was ready to smash that downvote when I read the first sentence thinking you meant long covid was psychological and I'm glad you continued :)
No, I'm just very opposed against the rise in anti-scientific, anti-evidence based belief that I've watched rise to a fever pitch in the last several decades. I try to call it out where ever I find it, but I also think its important to understand why people engage in this kind of conspiratorial thinking. I think we under estimate how much of it is truly out of our control. Its baked into our physiology. We want to believe and our bodies aren't giving us much choice.
So what's the solution then? Physical pleasure and psychological predisposition sounds like drug addiction. Personally I think the solution there is to legalize, regulate, and treat it as a medical condition, but how does that translate to conspiritorial thinking?
You know why
The only unvaccinated person I know is dead. So I guess he doesn't care.
Well, he didn't get any long term effects of COVID, besides death of course.
Yeah, it makes so much more sense that doctors, institutions and (enemy) governments conspired to... what? Poison people?
Way more plausible than a new virus causing a autoimmune condition already observed to be triggered by other viruses for centuries.
I'm not even sure why I'm bothering with this comment.
Okay, well, they don't.
Literally 1984
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AGREED! There was ZERO cases of Long Covid until AFTER people EVENTUALLY started getting the JAB!
Nobody cares when two wilfully ignorant people agree. Just FYI.
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