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Most people don’t need and thus don’t want to exit the box in their daily lives. They just want something that works and both iOS and Android provide that. It’s not shameful to stay in that box, if all you need or want is a functional box.
For those that can afford to enter the box and maintain all of its required ancillary pieces, you may very well be able to have that experience and save yourself "the burden" of thought or choice, yes.
Voting is hard too, having to research multiple candidate's histories against their stated intentions, marketing and funding sources can be downright exhausting at times, maybe you can let Apple do it for you?
Raising your kids includes so many difficult and impactful choices... Maybe we can send our kids to Apple, pay a subscription, and they can raise them as might best boost shareholder value?
It's not shameful.
That’s a bad analogy because A. iPhones work very well on their own, you don’t need to buy anything else, especially nothing expensive, and B. buying an iPhone is just as well a choice as buying any other phone. I‘m not letting Apple decide for me, I’m deciding to get an Apple device. If I‘d have preferred something else, I‘d have gotten that.
And for most people, it doesn’t matter. All they want is a device with a webbrowser and a chat app. Any phone can provide that. I know a lot of people with android phones. Used some myself over the years. And all but the most techy and tinkerhappy people will ever sideload an app, install a third party launcher, root their device or do anything but stay inside the same box iPhones are. And sure, you can’t exit the box while using an iPhone and you could on the android device but why would you, when you just need your phone to work so you can concentrate on things that actually matter, like preparing for the next election or raising children.
See, just stumbled across this on another thread, you box folk are just the open butt of the joke everywhere...
Sure. I wouldn’t buy shoes that need an app in the first place though. I think that’s more of a joke.
Again, when there comes a point where I need to exit the box, I will. I just don’t have to because I’m not buying shoes that require an app to function.
App controlled shoes aren't the outlier though by any means? Just about everything has a companion app these days and through enshitification they eventually lock away features and charge subscription (if they didn't from start) until they inevitably shut down servers and brick devices or at lady severely restrict usability.
The android community often revives these products, giving them a second life and retaining their core functionality at least - because the platform allows for it in its design.
This same thing doesn't happen in the box, because the box doesn't want its friends ability to pull the plug denied them. Again this is objective fact at this point and ubiquitous to the point that you routinely see casual reference to this style of joke.
And to "most people will never use X functionality" that's a self fulfilling prophecy because most people in the box have never known those features as any kind of possibility. "Most people held hostage in a basement from birth, fed only saltines, won't want Oreo cookies" is the same idea.
All most apps like these are is a wrapper around API calls anyway. I’ll keep using my iPhone and just self host whatever replacement gets released.
Worst case I can just spin up an Android qemu vm on my real computer, and let my pocket computer just make phone calls, send messages, and shit post on the internet as nature intended.
My point is though, that the vast majority of android users also wouldn’t ever sideload an app. It doesn’t matter to the average user if there’s a door in the wall, if there’s exactly zero reason to go through. Because most people don’t have some obsolete device they need a third party app for. Most people don’t even use a custom launcher.
I‘m not saying no one needs sideloading, nor that it shouldn’t be an option. I‘m very glad the EU forced Apple to allow third party stores. All I’m saying is, that doesn’t matter to the vast majority of users.
Look at it like that: The average person does not need a pickup truck. They usually only carry people or some groceries. A hatchback would suffice, a sedan or wagon would be comfortable. If you gave them a pickup truck, they wouldn’t use the bed ever because they don’t have a need for it. That doesn’t mean no one needs it and that some people who don’t need it still want it, juuust in case. But the average user just doesn’t care because they don’t need to care. And should the day arise where they need a pickup truck, they‘ll get one.
Idk what you mean by ancillary pieces. I have a phone. That’s it. Nothing additional.